Generations plot hole
- Thread starter TiberiusK
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Plot holes? Wanna talk plot holes?
How about the whole "Blowing up stars to make the Nexus come to a planet" when all he had to do was park a shuttlecraft in its path.
We *KNOW* that works, because we saw it work TWICE -- once with the ship with Guinan and Soren, and once with the Enterprise.
That alone made me want to throw things at the screen.
Tony
How about the whole "Blowing up stars to make the Nexus come to a planet" when all he had to do was park a shuttlecraft in its path.
We *KNOW* that works, because we saw it work TWICE -- once with the ship with Guinan and Soren, and once with the Enterprise.
That alone made me want to throw things at the screen.
Tony
We don't know if all the El-Aurians on the other ship made it into the Nexus safely when their ship was destroyed, and neither did Soren.
I've wondered why Picard doesn't go back and help Soran get what he wants.
He knows where Soran's going to meet the Duras sisters, so Starfleet can be warned and they can send ships to deal with them. That done, he sets Data to the problem of getting Soran back into the Nexus... and his knowledge of trilithium weapons out of reach of the Duras.
If Kirk comes back with Picard, he can interact with the TNG crew, but he--and Guinan--will be faced with a choice: Do they remain in the 24th century or return to the Nexus?
What else would you expect from two winded old men, one in his seventies, the other probably in his late nine hundreds?
Does he? The Kleavage Kouple originally showed up at Amargosa after the star blew up - that would be a difficult cue to arrange for if Starfleet wanted to spring a trap. If the sisters remained cloaked, it would be near-impossible to apprehend them.
And Picard has no clue as to when or whether Soran had given the Durassic Duo the secret to starkiller weapons. For all he knew, they had received trilithium warheads as prepayment for being at Amargosa. Perhaps months before that event, perhaps years.
OTOH, the sisters were most assuredly caught and under guard at the moment that Picard chose for his re-emergence into history. Or so Picard thought...
Timo Saloniemi
My theory is the farther back in time Picard goes the more chance he will alter/change the present, so Picard chooses to leave the Nexus at about the same time he entered it. This would cause the least amount of damage to the timeline.
That's about the only explanation I can think of as to why he doesn't go back earlier.
That's about the only explanation I can think of as to why he doesn't go back earlier.
And if he did go back and try to arrest Soran, there wouldn't really be evidence he was up to something.
But maybe not enough to convict. I mean, let's face it, our heroes can be horribly naive at times...
Counselor Troi and her attitude toward Cardassians in "The Wounded" comes to mind...
Counselor Troi and her attitude toward Cardassians in "The Wounded" comes to mind...
Because this is Star Trek we're talking about, and there are far worse plot holes than this one (especially time-travel stories.)
More like Troi's stance that since the Federation had a cease-fire with the Cardassians, they were now "allies" and must be trusted without question. "We're allies now, we have to trust them."
Maxwell had the right idea (as evidenced by later episodes such as Chain of Command) but went about solving it the wrong way.
(I just watched this episode last night, one of my favorites.)
To me the biggest aspect of that plothole was that, earlier in the film Picard was SO distraught over the loss of his nephew in the fire, I thought they would AT LEAST have him contemplate leaving the Nexus sometime before that fire on Earth, saving his nephew, etc. I could then see him POSSIBLY deciding not to after some reflection, or discussing something with Kirk that changes his mind, etc; but to not even touch on that aspect when Picard was so deeply affected by the loss and here is given a chance to change that as well...
Bit no, here Braga and Moore did a predictable 'Star Trek by the overtly numbers' and had Picard go "Hey Kirk, teh Galaxy needs your help to beat up the bad guy..." and we got the wholly predicable sequence we got.
I suppose a peace treaty can be characterized as a cease-fire, but since it's described as a peace treaty in ``The Wounded'' and in ``Ensign Ro'' I'm going to take a wild leap here and suggest that just maybe it was, in fact, a peace treaty. And that the violently strong protests everyone raised to Troi's characterization of the terms of that peace as an alliance suggests that just maybe perhaps it had been an alliance.
Ah. Then you surely noticed that Maxwell didn't have one shred of evidence for the alleged Cardassian military bases. When Picard demanded to see his alleged evidence, Maxwell let out some bluster about how they don't respect peace and life the way we do and that's why we have to kill them, and then fled.
But then I bet Troi would have said the Cardassians weren't developing biogenic weapons either. They weren't, but that's no reason to refrain from going to war with them.
What InklingStar said. Troi's attitude seems to forget that the Cardassians haven't earned complete trust. And while Captain Picard may not have agreed with Maxwell's methods, he basically said to Gul Macet that Maxwell was right.
My point is that there is no way anyone would've believed Captain Picard enough to stop Soran.
