Generations - Picards Wife

[Therin of Andor]

Vixen said:
It wasn't Beverly.

If it had have been Beverly, audiences might have wondered why Bev can't leave, too, to help Picard and Kirk defeat Soran. I was more distressed that they didn't obtain the services of David Tristan Birkin, the original Rene (in "Family"), who'd also played Young Picard in "Rascals".

 

[Peach Wookiee]

The writers probably wanted Rene younger...

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

^Or the actor was unavailable.

 

[blockaderunner]

It was Antonia. Don't you get it? The Nexus isn't all powerful. Your fantasy mate will always be Antonia (or Antonio for women). It can only do so much when it comes to fantasies.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

The Nexus is Antonia/o, a hermaphroditic relative of the Companion who belives in polygamy. He/She will have big role in the upcoming season of Big Love.

 

[InklingStar]

Therin of Andor said:
I was more distressed that they didn't obtain the services of David Tristan Birkin, the original Rene (in "Family"), who'd also played Young Picard in "Rascals".

Rene didn't look anything like he once did.

 

[HRHTheKING]

Horrible scene.

They should have had Beverley as Picard's wife and taken it out of the Victorian setting.

 

[Finn]

^Okay. Beverly it is. What should they have done for the setting?

Maybe imagining starting a family on the Stargazer, with a big quarters, and Beverly as a young M.D....

 

[Peach Wookiee]

That would've been interesting... But as it's Picard's imagination... hmmm...

 

[Admiral_Young]

I hate this scene along with Kirk's nexus fantasy...I realize that Bibi Besch (is that how you spell the actress who played Carol Marcus) was dead at that point and wasn't available but I've always thought that Carol would've been Jim's fantasy woman or perhaps they could've brought back Gillian Taylor and explained that the two had a relationship after the Probe incident in ST:IV.

As for Jean-Luc...I agree that we should have seen Beverly along with Wesley (maybe not) and Rene as their children. Or if you wanted to go in a different direction an interesting nod to uber-fans would have been to use the mysterious Celeste woman mentioned in the "Encounter at Farpoint" novelization (yes, yes I know that novelizations are not canon). I thought though looking back on it that it might've been his version of Marie who he seemed to admire in "Family".

As for the setting of Picard's nexus fantasy I agree that the Victorian House at Christmas time seems a bit much but then again it is indeed Jean-Luc's fantasy! I don't really have much of a problem with the setting as lame as it was.

 

[Nebusj]

Admiral_Young said:
As for the setting of Picard's nexus fantasy I agree that the Victorian House at Christmas time seems a bit much but then again it is indeed Jean-Luc's fantasy! I don't really have much of a problem with the setting as lame as it was.

See, I would have bet on Picard's vision of eternal happiness being an infinitely long conference meeting about the Prime Directive.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

^I'd think an infinitely long conference would be his vision of eternal hell...

 

[nx1701g]

I had always thought I'd seen the actress before in the series, but I thought it was the woman who played Neela/Nella Daren for some reason.

 

[Therin of Andor]

nx1701g said:
I had always thought I'd seen the actress before in the series, but I thought it was the woman who played Neela/Nella Daren for some reason.

You mean Aussie actress Wendy Hughes?

Down Under she'd be too expensive for such a brief cameo.

 

[Timo]

I hate this scene along with Kirk's nexus fantasy...I realize that Bibi Besch (is that how you spell the actress who played Carol Marcus) was dead at that point and wasn't available but I've always thought that Carol would've been Jim's fantasy woman or perhaps they could've brought back Gillian Taylor and explained that the two had a relationship after the Probe incident in ST:IV.

IMHO, that would have been both inconsistent for the character, and dramatically uninteresting. The point wasn't that Kirk had a deep and meaningful relationship with some lass named Antonia. The point was that, as usual, Kirk really didn't give a damn about women, be they mothers to his children or not - when given the ultimate chance to choose, he once again chose adventure.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ Then if that was his true nexus fantasy...shouldn't he have been on board the Enterprise again with his crew?

 

[Ro_Laren]

Yes, the scene would have been more realistic if it would have had Beverly (a Nexus produced Bev- it couldn't have been the real Bev). However, that would confused the crap out of the audience... wait, I thought Bev was on the Enterprise. Why doesn't she help Picard, etc...

It also annoyed me that they didn't have the same actor playing Renee, but as mentioned above he was probably too old to play the cute little nephew that the producers wanted. How old would he should Renee have been? I forget how old he was in the episode "Family."

 

[Nebusj]

I tend to not take too seriously complaints that something or other would confuse the audience -- audiences are usually a bit sharper than they're credited for -- but Crusher as Picard's nexus-wife would be confusing. There wouldn't have been an obvious reason the Real Crusher couldn't be in the Nexus -- yeah, the planet was being ripped up under Crusher's feet, but Picard was on the same planet and he was in the Nexus certainly. And given that, why doesn't she come out? They had to handwave frantically to explain why Guinan's Echo couldn't come out and it still didn't really convince anyone of anything except that Whoopi Goldberg wasn't going to be in this movie anymore; establishing that first the Crusher whom Picard (presumably) fantasizes isn't the real Crusher and second that this person can't leave when we already have the muddle about who can leave and why or when ...

Really, the thing you want is to have fewer things to explain about the Nexus and its rules, and faux-Crusher in it would require explaining.

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

I always thought it would have been Kirk's ideal life to be back aboard the Enterprise (the original) with Spock, McCoy and the rest of the crew.. and just for fun I would have included a still living Gary Mitchel among the crew.

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

Another thought.. with Picard resurrecting his deceased nephew, it would have been nice to see David Marcus in Kirk's fantasy...