General Trek Questions and Observations

[EnnJaySeeT800]

I always felt that the 'personality types' of the Klingons and Romulans were swapped after the TOS (during one of the first movies), and just the other day I was reading something that said they legitimately were - that in one of those early movies* the baddie was supposed to be the Romulans, who were then swapped-out for the Klingons, but the script was left the same, which then gave the 'honorable' vibe the TOS Romulans had to the Klingons, and the Romulans became the bloodthirsty war-mongers.

Anyhow, I was glad to read that, because all these years I had felt that way and then it was finally confirmed, and there is a very RW reason behind it. I just wish I recall where I read it. LOL
You are making me want to watch that now... NO! I won't do it! {stick fingers in ears and goes "la la la la la.." really loud}

But yeah, thats been my assumption for awhile now, and that time period when the Klingons stopped using Cloaks ("No capes!") was when one of the more 'Conservative' (Kahles-following) Houses was in charge.


*Probably the movie you mentioned - Star Trek III

Yeah, they completely changed the Klingons in TMP most likely because they had a bigger budget

 

[MarkusTay]

Question: Does anyone know whats happening with New York City? Canonically, I mean? Does it 'appear' (mentioned, whatever) in any lore at all?
I'm doing a sort fanfic-amalgam setting thing ATM, and while trying to back-fill a lot of missing history (like WW3/Eugenics), one of the primary targets in any nuclear exchange should be NYC. There's a mention of parts of Los Angeles being underwater, but I can't recall anything specific about NYC. Or Boston, for that matter. If anyone knows how that city is as well, it would be appreciated (in other words, any mentions of major cities, other than San Francisco, would be great).

 

[cooleddie74]

Much of Los Angeles is victim to the Great Hermosa Quake of 2047 but New York City's fate has never been established other than in the footage that Pike shows to the native legislature or council in SNW and that could either be actual documentary footage of WWIII or an historical recreation made over the next 200 years. But my guess is that New York City takes at least a glancing blow in the war and is heavily damaged.

 

[NCC-73515]

Archer was from NYC, and Boston is shown in PIC

 

[MarkusTay]

Is Boston shown in PIC? I thought so - I had thought Guinan's bar was there - but when I looked that up in the wiki, it said her bar was in Cally (either LA or SF, can't remember which... I'm thinking LA because I also think I crossed referenced it with the Hermosa quake, thinking I had found an inconsistency {I didn't}). When was Boston shown? Some of that show takes place pre-WW3 (I HATE time travel - lore junkies like me find it breaks too much canon, usually).

So 'logically' NYC should have taken at least a glancing blow, but we have nothing official? I guess I'll have to look through Beta canon - there were some novels that covered that period. Thanks

Oh, and wasn't their a visual at some point that showed the region around Australia, but New Zealand was missing? I can use that!

 

[cooleddie74]

The footage Pike shows the alien legislature or council shows Manhattan's skyline and the Statue of Liberty taking damage from a nuclear detonation but it's not too severe.

 

[NCC-73515]

Is Boston shown in PIC? I thought so - I had thought Guinan's bar was there - but when I looked that up in the wiki, it said her bar was in Cally (either LA or SF, can't remember which... I'm thinking LA because I also think I crossed referenced it with the Hermosa quake, thinking I had found an inconsistency {I didn't}). When was Boston shown? Some of that show takes place pre-WW3 (I HATE time travel - lore junkies like me find it breaks too much canon, usually).

So 'logically' NYC should have taken at least a glancing bow, but we have nothing official? I guess I'll have to look through Beta canon - there were some novels that covered that period. Thanks

Oh, and wasn't their a visual at some point that showed the region around Australia, but New Zealand was missing? I can use that!

at the beginning of the first episode, when dahj is attacked and activates for the first time

https://www.trekcore.com/picard/gal...01-remembrance/picard-101-remembrance-059.jpg

 

[MarkusTay]

Hmmm... Manhattan stuff is usable (for what I am doing), but Dahj in Boston is problematic for me.

Nah, no such thing as problems, only challenges.

Thanks for your help, peeps. Cheers

 

[The Rock]

In that one TNG episode where Data asks Dr. Crusher how to dance, she mentions she doesn't want Data telling anyone that she knows how to dance because she didn't want to be known as "the dancing doctor."

I've always wondered why she is so ashamed of being known as a dancer? She made it sound as though there's something wrong with being known as a dancer lol. So many people wish they could dance as well as she can!

 

[at Quark's]

In that one TNG episode where Data asks Dr. Crusher how to dance, she mentions she doesn't want Data telling anyone that she knows how to dance because she didn't want to be known as "the dancing doctor."

I've always wondered why she is so ashamed of being known as a dancer? She made it sound as though there's something wrong with being known as a dancer lol. So many people wish they could dance as well as she can!

Well, her precise words were: I'd rather not be known as... as the dancing doctor. Again.

So presumably, she actually did have some negative experiences with that in a previous setting. Just what it was that made them negative is anyone's guess.

 

[tesral]

Well, her precise words were: I'd rather not be known as... as the dancing doctor. Again.

So presumably, she actually did have some negative experiences with that in a previous setting. Just what it was that made them negative is anyone's guess.

Medical school is a snake pit at times. Once burned, twice shy is the saying, even if that is not reasonable. As Mark Twain was said to say: "If a cat sits on a hot stove, she will not again, neither will she sit on a cold one."

 

[at Quark's]

In Man of the People we see Ambassador Alkar use Deanna as a conduit for channeling away his negative emotions.

Could this possibly have worked had he been forced to choose a Vulcan? (If, say, instead of the Ent-D he was picked up by a Vulcan-only ship?)

 

[Oddish]

As Mark Twain was said to say: "If a cat sits on a hot stove, she will not again, neither will she sit on a cold one."

Wonder if that qualifies as learning the wrong lesson, or learning the right lesson but taking it too far?

Either way, poor kitty.

In Man of the People we see Ambassador Alkar use Deanna as a conduit for channeling away his negative emotions.

Could this possibly have worked had he been forced to choose a Vulcan? (If, say, instead of the Ent-D he was picked up by a Vulcan-only ship?)

Three possibilities... one, Vulcan telepathy only works when there is physical contact. Once contact breaks, Alcar is dealing with his own emotions again.

Two, Vulcan emotional discipline allows the repulsion of Alcar's psychic waste, so basically the same thing.

Three, the disciplined Vulcan mind is used to dealing with high-powered Vulcan emotions. Adding Alcar's to the mix are merely background noise by comparison, so Alcar has found the perfect receptacle: one who will weather his actions, and live as long as he will.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Three possibilities... one, Vulcan telepathy only works when there is physical contact.

We know this is not always the case.

See TMP, when Spock senses V'ger telepathically during the Kolinahr ritual and later when Spock mind melds with V'ger.

See "The Immunity Syndrome," when Spock senses the destruction of the Intrepid from the Vulcan death cries.

See also "One of Our Planets Is Missing," when Spock mind melds with the cloud organism.

In these examples, one end of the telepathic conversation is more powerful than a humanoid (also in the case of the TAS episode, the connection was assisted mechanically).

Perhaps there are also other examples and maybe some not involving Spock as well.

 

[Oddish]

The advantage of using a Vulcan is that they would not require deception. Alcar could simply point out the logic of sacrificing one life to save thousands, and they would probably agree to the "funeral meditation" willingly.

 

[at Quark's]

One wonders why Alkar's negative emotion would be so particularly destructive anyway. I mean, surely it can't be too healthy for Deanna and those women before her to process two sets of negative emotions rather than one (her own) but why it would cause this kind of rapid aging and total elimination of positive qualities and burnout in just a few days is beyond me. Or did Alkar channel away the negative emotions of all present during such diplomatic meetings?

Edit: also, 'dark' Troi telling an Ensign Janeway she'd better shape up to 'Enterprise' level or consider a transfer to a transport vessel. Too bad it wasn't our Janeway ... (and before I get accused of Janeway hatred, yes, I also would have thought it funny had it been an Ensign Sisko- except of course the time frame doesn't work. It even already doesn't really work in this case).

 

[Oddish]

yes, I also would have thought it funny had it been an Ensign Sisko- except of course the time frame doesn't work. It even already doesn't really work in this case).

Not unless a person can go from ensign to captain in under two years.
[Oddish remembers Star Trek 2009]
Wait a minute...

 

[at Quark's]

^That's why I said it wouldn't work for Janeway, even.

Or perhaps she _did_ get promoted way too quickly and then decided to not promote Harry. Just to restore the cosmic balance a bit, you know.

 

[Timofnine]

Is there enough metal and raw material available on Earth to build this starbase?

If not, how can it be achieved if humanity fails to invent ‘replicators’?

 

[Oddish]

It's not a question of if there's enough on Earth, not when there's a whole galaxy of planets and asteroids to mine.

Asteroids would be best of all, because there is no biosphere to work about, just dead chunks of rock.