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General thoughts on ENT?

Shran is a great character I really liked him in the episodes he appears in he also is in several of the Enterprise novels the Romulan war books and the Enterprise book that came out this year has an important Andorian story in it.. Shran and Archer story line is really interesting. I wish there was Enterprise book 5 of the Relaunch to continue the storyline coming out next year. Christopher Bennet's next novel The face of the unknown is a Captain Kirk book. I also like the tv Episode Bound too.Especially Trip and T'Pol's storyline in this show.:adore::biggrin:
 
Enterprise is a show I've never seen. I do plan to hopefully watch it all this fall before Discovery begins. From what I've witnessed among Trek fans, ENT seems to be the forgotten series; often not mentioned, and when it is, not fondly. If Discovery is a success, it might be known as the prequel Trek fans wanted, pushing ENT even more to the wayside.

I actually enjoyed the series a lot. I'm probably one of the few who will say that. I was an original series fan - not so much TNG - enjoyed Deep Space Nine - never missed an episode of Voyage. I would put Enterprise in the category of Voyager - I never missed an episode.

There are some continuity issues I have with the show. For obvious reasons, the ship and the technology looks more advanced than what is seen in TOS, but I've looked past that. It will be interesting to see how Discovery deals with a ten year gap and how the sets and uniforms will look.

But Enterprise did a good job of creating the idea that this was mankind's first mission into deep space. They had moments of first contact with known alien races - which was great to see. The crew was original and the emotions more raw. It was nice seeing conflict between the Vulcans and Humans. That tension takes Star Trek to a place it has never been before. All in all, it holds true to Star Trek while giving viewers the feeling that they are all doing this for the first time.

Like all versions of Star Trek, there are weak episodes, but you can power through them and not feel like you've wasted an hour of your life.

But I agree. Enterprise does seem to be the forgotten child of Star Trek - much like Episodes 1-3 of Star Wars seem to be forgotten fast in light of the new trilogy. And that probably has to do with the fact that Enterprise was supposed to be set in an era where humans were just beginning deep space exploration and had a lot to learn. They are rookies playing on the field with the big boys and they can't get to the Starfleet we know from TOS until they learn what mistakes can be made and how to create policies to avoid those mistakes in the future. Basically, the writers had to de-evolve Star Trek to create Enterprise, and I think that put off a lot of Star Trek fans.

Discovery - if done well - will probably make people completely forget about Enterprise. Unfortunately, it isn't on track to be remembered as TOS or TNG and Discovery will probably push it out of people's memory forever. However, Discovery might be more disconnected than Enterprise ever was. Most of the writers and creative players are from the motion pictures and the new Kelvin timeline Trek. The potential to screw this up is probably higher then at any other time.

We will see.
 
Not during Enterprise's time more the TOS movies from the little bit I saw, I know that Picard said it led to decades of war but does that necessarily mean it had to happen right away? I mean roll a snowball down a hill can cause a avalanche so perhaps it's seen as if it was felt that Archer could have done better with the Klingons and that he was the 'snowball' slowly trickling down hill?
That's how I see it happening.
There is talk in ENT of needing something like the Prime Directive, and Archer learns from T'Pol in terms of not judging alien cultures. However, I don't there is any explicit discussion of how to initiate and navigate relations with alien societies.

We see from Vulcan's treatment of Earth that they have a sense of guardianship in that context. But what are their procedures for meeting species that are on an equal footing, and prepared to be hostile? Based on their relations with Andoria, perhaps this is something Vulcan has not yet worked out.

The Vulcan attitude towards the Klingons seems to be "These guys are dangerous and unpredictable - we'd better keep them at arm's length." Then Archer goes charging in and thinks he's making friends because he's done them some favours, forgetting that putting someone in your debt may create resentment rather than gratitude. There's your Star Trek optimism in action. Maybe it will work in some contexts, but not everyone will become your buddy if you smile and try to shake their hand.

So Earth's naivity and lack of fore-thought led to bad stuff happening. Eventually, policy was created to prevent the situation from occurring again.

The famous Picard quote is:
...there is no starship mission more dangerous than that of first contact. We never know what we will face when we open the door on a new world, how we will be greeted, what exactly the dangers will be. Centuries ago, a disastrous contact with the Klingon Empire led to decades of war. It was decided then we would do surveillance before making contact. It was a controversial decision. I believe it prevented more problems than it created.​

In the case of societies that already have the tech for interstellar travel, "surveillance" as such might not be an option, but I think we can assume that careful research and analysis would be done to determine how diplomatic relations should proceed. Thus the Federation learned from Archer's mistakes.

(BTW, I realise from reading Picard's speech that I was wrong to suggest that war may not have occurred. It obviously did.)
 
So Earth's naivity and lack of fore-thought led to bad stuff happening. Eventually, policy was created to prevent the situation from occurring again.

The famous Picard quote is:
...there is no starship mission more dangerous than that of first contact. We never know what we will face when we open the door on a new world, how we will be greeted, what exactly the dangers will be. Centuries ago, a disastrous contact with the Klingon Empire led to decades of war. It was decided then we would do surveillance before making contact. It was a controversial decision. I believe it prevented more problems than it created.​
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Wait wait WAIT. Is this THE quote that have people upset that the continuity is somehow ruined. "Disastrous contact?" Granted, the discussion takes place while discussing the PD in regards to rules of first contact. But, this quote doesn't say "disastrous FIRST contact." Just "disastrous contact." I could see very easily where, after the virus incident in Season 4, that Starfleet may have "withdrawn " interest in pursuing a relationship with the Klingons. And that the two species cut ties for awhile. Then, maybe some years later, the NEXT deep space ship decides to re-establish contact- with disastrous results.

I can see some brash young captain deciding "pfffft...Archer did it all wrong. I can do BETTER!" And then proceed to do something stupid and arrogant to piss off the Klingons.

Whatever you say about Archer, he did d have the feeling of "awe" being out in space, and he did try to form some sort of mutual understanding with the Klingons, without all the "tough guy " posturing or trying to be confrontational. Aside from the battle with Duras, which he was drawn into. In fact it was rather funny - his attitude of "I don't have time for this shit...I've got to find the Xindi,"
 
Enterprise is a show I've never seen. I do plan to hopefully watch it all this fall before Discovery begins. From what I've witnessed among Trek fans, ENT seems to be the forgotten series; often not mentioned, and when it is, not fondly. If Discovery is a success, it might be known as the prequel Trek fans wanted, pushing ENT even more to the wayside.

I'm simply asking for your general thoughts on the show, and your opinion of its main strengths and weaknesses. Do you feel audiences were unfair on the show at the time, was it cancelled unjustly, and do you look back on it with more fondness now that when it was originally on the air?

I watched the first few episodes when it was on originally and then gave it up. I think I didn't get the channel it was on or had to work or something, but there were also things I didn't like about the series. The theme song still sounds pretty cheesy for a Star Trek show. It was a show that was obviously trying to be a little sexier than the other Treks. T'Pol's catsuit and all the decontamination scenes struck me as gratuitous. Rewatching it over a decade later, I'm surprised that T'Pol turned out to be one of my favorite characters. Maybe I had to binge watch it and see her evolve from episode to episode. I liked the idea of a rebel Vulcan who sought out new experiences and was willing to take sometimes foolish risks to experience emotions. She's a unique character. I also found myself really liking Trip, unlike the first time around, and enjoyed him with T'Pol.

The whole evolution of Vulcan society is by far my favorite storyline. I don't particularly like the time traveling war or the Xindi (ridiculous aquatic language.) I do like the episodes that focus on development of the characters, like the one where they're stuck in the shuttle pod or have to be evacuated to the catwalk.
 
Shran is a great character I really liked him in the episodes he appears in he also is in several of the Enterprise novels the Romulan war books and the Enterprise book that came out this year has an important Andorian story in it.. Shran and Archer story line is really interesting. I wish there was Enterprise book 5 of the Relaunch to continue the storyline coming out next year. Christopher Bennet's next novel The face of the unknown is a Captain Kirk book. I also like the tv Episode Bound too.Especially Trip and T'Pol's storyline in this show.:adore::biggrin:

Shran is great because Jeffrey Alan Combs who plays him is great. He has a talent for playing these secondary characters very convincingly. I like all his characters.
 
It was a show that was obviously trying to be a little sexier than the other Treks. T'Pol's catsuit and all the decontamination scenes struck me as gratuitous. Rewatching it over a decade later, I'm surprised that T'Pol turned out to be one of my favorite characters.
Kira from DS9 was basically in a catsuit. Troi from TNG was in various figure-hugging outfits. We just notice it more in VOY and ENT because of the boobage.
 
Kira from DS9 was basically in a catsuit. Troi from TNG was in various figure-hugging outfits. We just notice it more in VOY and ENT because of the boobage.
Kira at least wore a variant of the standard Bajoran uniform, and Troi was a counsellor, so I can accept that she was supposed to have a less militaristic appearance than the rest of the crew. Seven and T'Pol were made to stand out from the rest of the crew a bit too much. T'Pol wasn't a bad character, I just wish she dressed like a Vulcan and not a Batman villain.
 
Kira at least wore a variant of the standard Bajoran uniform, and Troi was a counsellor, so I can accept that she was supposed to have a less militaristic appearance than the rest of the crew. Seven and T'Pol were made to stand out from the rest of the crew a bit too much. T'Pol wasn't a bad character, I just wish she dressed like a Vulcan and not a Batman villain.
I believe that Kira was the only one wearing a uniform, at least at the start of the series, because Troi eventually wore one too.
 
It's too bad that T'Pol didn't switch to uniform after she resigned from the high command. I actually thought the uniform made her more attractive.
 
I'm just watching Enterprise for the second time and I'm actually enjoying the first season a bit more than before. It's not the best, but I wouldn't quite say it's the worst, but it is different from all the other Trek's.

I still think season 3 is great and season 4 is one of the best season's of Star Trek. I think it really could have taken off if they went for a 5th season.
 
My thoughts are it seems like a alternate universe/timeline/reality.

Well, it's definitely not our reality. It's a reality where charlatans with leeches, pigeon crap and whatnot are called great doctors and apparently can cure terminal cancer with one injection... of something.
 
I like Enterprise, but, if I'm being perfectly honest, it really needed to remain the episodic show it started out as, because trying to make it a hybrid "Serialized Procedural"-type show just didn't work in the end, although it did give us some interesting stuff like the Klingon Augments, a return to/expansion of the Mirror Universe, and parts of the Temporal Cold War.
 
Was T'Pol's penchant for wearing painted-on catsuits also a reflection of her - supposed - Romulan ancestory? I picked it up, from somewhere, that T'Pol was part Romulan.
 
'Enterprise' is worthy of the name Star Trek

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Was T'Pol's penchant for wearing painted-on catsuits also a reflection of her - supposed - Romulan ancestory? I picked it up, from somewhere, that T'Pol was part Romulan.

How could she be part Romulan with the Romulans being unknown to the Vulcans? Did the Romulans abduct a Vulcan woman, impregnate her and brought her back to Vulcan?
 
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