You are alone in thinking that.
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You are alone in thinking that.
Basically.
Hehehe...wasn't TOS pretend? The androids getting talked to death were real? The Doomsday Machine? Warp drive??Geez, I only used it once until I had to explain it for you. So, no, I don't "keep using that word."
Let me try again. All centuries in ST are fictional. I'm glad you get that.
The fictional nature of said centuries will not make or break a series premise. It's the execution that matters. Therefore, setting the Academy series in the 32nd Century is not going to inherently help or hinder the Academy series.
That was a direct reply to a specific comment made by another poster. A non-issue until you confusedly bumbled into it. Of course, you're free to participate in the conversation, but it helps if you understand what is being said first.
Also: Reading comprehension is your friend.
I've been living in a sham!
Well, I did say it was all pretend. Not sure why you're surprised?
I'm still excited about S31 and always have been. I just refuse to talk about it on TrekBBS. You weren't here for the some of the most headache-inducing threads that I'm sure will repeat themselves. And for that, you're lucky. I've already told people here that unless I pop in to say otherwise when it premieres, they can assume I liked it.
SFA, I'm on the fence and will probably stay on the fence until I've seen the first episode.
SFA, I'm on the fence and will probably stay on the fence until I've seen the first episode.
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This is Trek fandom, sir. You can take your balanced and reasonable attitudes elsewhere!
that's why people shouldn't rush to judge these things before they know enough details
I wonder if Kirk tried to talk C-3PO from Star Wars to death. Who would last longer?
We obviously disagree on DIS. I enjoy it ok, although it's on track to be my new least favorite ST series, replacing VOY on the bottom rung. But, again, I still enjoy it as decent entertainment, just not as much as the other series. So, I'm not a hater but I also don't love it.
Each to their own, right?
But I've never had an issue with DIS spinoffs. After all, SNW is one and I love it! I was more worried about Academy when I thought it was going to be written by the current DIS writing team, but that's not the case, so my worries are alleviated to some degree. The concerns I have about it relate more to it focusing on YA. But we'll see. I'll give it a chance.
I don't know who is writing the S31 movie, but I'm expecting it to be entirely different from DIS. But we'll see.
Even mediocre Trek is better to me than most other sci-fi. That's why I'm still a fan after all these decades.
I've been having problems with some of the messaging of newer Trek. Rios from Picard was shown smoking and drinking alcohol in a way that was obviously supposed to be filmed as "cool" and masculine, technobabble about holographic cigars or long forgotten lines from years ago about synthehol aside (and it's clear they were drinking the real thing anyway). In a world where once again image is everything, I'm uncomfortable with that sort of messaging.
I don't think we have smoking by any of the heroes in Star Wars, although they obviously have alcohol use by characters like Kenobi (he says he's going to get a drink in Attack of the Clones and maybe the 1977 film) and obviously the SW theme park at Disney parks serve alcohol despite Walt's demands before he died that no Disney park serve alcohol period.
I don't think we have smoking by any of the heroes in Star Wars, although they obviously have alcohol use by characters like Kenobi (he says he's going to get a drink in Attack of the Clones and maybe the 1977 film) and obviously the SW theme park at Disney parks serve alcohol despite Walt's demands before he died that no Disney park serve alcohol period.
Same here. Some is better than others. But that's true with everything in life!
Alcohol consumption has been with Trek since Boyce mixed his first martini. All the shows have had permanent sets were the characters relax and drink. So it's not going away anytime soon. I don't think the world really cares that much about characters relaxing in such an environment.
How "forgotten" are the references to synthahol any way?
IIRC it's been referenced in the current shows.
I wasn't a fan of Rios smoking either, but I wasn't worried about the message it was sending. Everyone watching was over 30, and most were over 40. By then, you've either been a smoker or you've never smoked and you're not going to start because of this. If Picard had been aimed towards children, teenagers, or even very young adults, then I'd feel differently.
PIC was the one and only Star Trek show where they were like, "We know most of you are either middle-aged or old, and we're not even going to pretend!" So Rios is the type of Star Trek character you'd only see in Picard. Same with Raffi.
I'm fine with it from obviously evil characters like Vadic I guess. Seeing a relative who had her mind destroyed by secretly vaping and it gave her permanent schizophrenia, I just can't see these things the same way anymore.
I could go either way on the drinking & smoking aspect.
Deep down, does it really bother me? No, it doesn't.
However, I certainly have known people who had problems with both. While I'm sure that what ST portrays won't make or break that for most people, I do understand the idea of ST portraying a future that's a bit more idealized. One that we can aspire to.
And while ST has portrayed smoking and drinking, it has also changed what it portrays over time for the greater good. Think of the inclusion of portraying various groups, a definite plus. So, changing it's portrayal of drinking and smoking (this time by not showing them) could also be a plus.
I could go either way. Some of it may well depend on your history with it. I could certainly see why some people would be more opposed to it than others. And, in the end, portraying smoking and drinking doesn't really facilitate most ST stories, where it's mostly irrelevant.
Deep down, does it really bother me? No, it doesn't.
However, I certainly have known people who had problems with both. While I'm sure that what ST portrays won't make or break that for most people, I do understand the idea of ST portraying a future that's a bit more idealized. One that we can aspire to.
And while ST has portrayed smoking and drinking, it has also changed what it portrays over time for the greater good. Think of the inclusion of portraying various groups, a definite plus. So, changing it's portrayal of drinking and smoking (this time by not showing them) could also be a plus.
I could go either way. Some of it may well depend on your history with it. I could certainly see why some people would be more opposed to it than others. And, in the end, portraying smoking and drinking doesn't really facilitate most ST stories, where it's mostly irrelevant.
People were still smoking in the 23rd century. There's a No Smoking sign on the Enterprise bridge in TWOK. Besides, Rios is meant to be a ruffian anyway, smoking is part of that image.
*Looks at which forum we're in.*
This is the Disco forum? That's odd, it seemed like we were discussing a Picard character.
*Looks at which forum we're in.*
This is the Disco forum? That's odd, it seemed like we were discussing a Picard character.
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