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Given that every finale since S2 has clocked at full hour, I suspect they shot an epilogue for this.
I would have preferred they just made a special movie to serve as the ending. If Paramount couldn’t cough up for a whole season, might as well just do a TV movie. Oh well.
The only reason Disco had thirteen (or more) episodes the previous seasons was because Netflix had a co-production deal and wanted a minimum of thirteen episodes. That wasn't the case with S5, so they went with only ten, which is the standard for most Trek shows nowadays.
Indeed, were I the one making the decisions I would have left the finale as it was before the cancellation was announced and planned a telemovie to serve as closure and wrapping things up. That could even have resulted in the S5 getting released in late 2023 since the strikes wouldn't have impacted anything. On the flip side, though, doing that could have meant there'd be no live action Trek in 2024 besides the Section 31 movie.
I thought that co-ptoduction deal was finished after season 1 or 2?
No, it continued all the way to S4.
I agree with you about the TV Movie. And I still believe we'll get a TV Movie for Discovery some point.
I don't agree with you about having S5 out in 2023. If it were me, I would've stuck with 2024 because I wouldn't have wanted a Trek-less year. My line of thinking would be that Paramount+ subscribers who are there just for Star Trek would begin cancelling their subscriptions with a gap that long. If I'm said subscriber, one TV Movie wouldn't be enough to keep me hanging around, paying for 12 months of service in 2024 where I'm not even using it for 11 of them. I'd have cancelled my subscription in 2023, picked it up for the one month in 2024 to watch S31, then I'd have cancelled it again until 2025.
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Indeed, if they did a DIS movie to wrap it up, they might not have done the S31 movie due to financial constraints. Guessing we're having our cake and eating it too by getting the epilogue and S31 movie.
But, agreed, it would've been nicer to have a closing movie and S31.
Discovery is in the top 10 originals for the third straight week. Moving up again too. They should surpass Picard season 3 by the next report.
https://www.nielsen.com/data-center/top-ten/
https://www.nielsen.com/data-center/top-ten/
This one was 46 minutes. Less if you take out the end credits and recap (which was 2 minutes long).
I do agree that streaming shows should be longer than broadcast tv, and for the most part, DISCO has done this starting with season 2.
Interesting. My assumption was that they intentionally wanted to stop at 65 episodes as that’s usually the threshold when cast/crew get raises.
Final episode counts, counting 2 HR eps as 2 episodes:
1) TNG: 178 (+4 movies)
2) DS9: 176
3) VOY: 172
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4) ENT: 98
5) TOS: 79 + The Cage = 80. (+6 movies).
6) DISCO: 65 (+ 5 STs + Sec 31 movie)
7) LD: 40 (+10 more to air) = 50.
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8) Picard: 30 (+1 ST)
9) TAS: 22 (101 for TOS Crew).
10) SNW: 20 (+20 more ordered, +3 ST)
11) PRO: 20 (+20?)
12) Short Treks: 10
With this latest run of DISCO eps, there is now more NuTrek eps than TNG or DS9 or VOY. But just barely. 185 to 178/176/172.
DISCO (65) + Short Treks (10) + Picard (30) + LD (40) + SNW (20) + PRO (20) = 185.
But in terms of screen time:
115 1 hour eps
70 half hour eps
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Equivalent of 150 hour eps of screen time.
LD5 (10/5) and PRO2 (20/10) will push it to 165. SNW3 will push past VOY. Gonna need SNW4 or ACA1 to get past DS9 & TNG.
1) TNG: 178 (+4 movies)
2) DS9: 176
3) VOY: 172
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4) ENT: 98
5) TOS: 79 + The Cage = 80. (+6 movies).
6) DISCO: 65 (+ 5 STs + Sec 31 movie)
7) LD: 40 (+10 more to air) = 50.
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8) Picard: 30 (+1 ST)
9) TAS: 22 (101 for TOS Crew).
10) SNW: 20 (+20 more ordered, +3 ST)
11) PRO: 20 (+20?)
12) Short Treks: 10
With this latest run of DISCO eps, there is now more NuTrek eps than TNG or DS9 or VOY. But just barely. 185 to 178/176/172.
DISCO (65) + Short Treks (10) + Picard (30) + LD (40) + SNW (20) + PRO (20) = 185.
But in terms of screen time:
115 1 hour eps
70 half hour eps
-------
Equivalent of 150 hour eps of screen time.
LD5 (10/5) and PRO2 (20/10) will push it to 165. SNW3 will push past VOY. Gonna need SNW4 or ACA1 to get past DS9 & TNG.
I hope that isn't the case, because it would be incredibly short-sighted. It's like programming something to fail after the warranty runs out. Eventually the v audience is going to catch on.
AFAIK, it's not the number of episodes that dictates when a new contract has to be re-negotiated - it's the number of seasons.
Maybe it’s different for streaming, because I do notice that the cutoff seems to typically be 5 seasons.
Berman era STAR TREK had 624 episodes (TNG 178, DS9 176, VOY 172, ENT 98) in 18 years, from 1987 to 2005.
Kurtzman era will have done 225 episodes (which is including the upcoming seasons of SNW, LDS, and PRO) by the end of 2025, presuming each of those seasons finishes airing by that time... DISCO 65, PICARD 30, LDS 50 (counting the final season), SNW 40 (counting the greenlit season 4), and PRO 40 (counting the upcoming season 2). The Kurtzman era being 2017 to 2025 (again, presuming these shows air those seasons by that time). In 8 years time, this era will have done just over 1/3 of the Berman era. For comparison, between 1987 and 1995, a similar 8 year timespan, that total was 270 episodes... TNG 178, DS9 72 (seasons 1-3), and VOY 20 (counting the season 1 produced total, which brings those 4 holdover episodes back).
(By the way, I don't count SHORT TREKS or VERY SHORT TREKS as a series... they are basically bonus material. Like the BSG webisodes.)
There is no way this era will catch up to the total of the Berman era, particularly since two shows in the same season combined only matches the lowest episode total of a single season of just one series. And a majority of the Berman seasons were 26 episodes each.
Not unless the Kurtzman era lasts at least 20 more years. (Assuming two series at once per year with 10 episodes each, that's 20 episodes a year... they would need 400 more episodes to beat the Berman era by a single episode.)
Given Paramount's money issues, the streaming bubble bursting, and the high improbability of a franchise runner lasting more than 2 decades, I just don't see it happening.
But I will keep watching, hope I am wrong, and celebrate when we get our 1,000th episode aired.
"...but about 30 good ones."
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