The Phelps thing never bothered me. It's a totally different continuity than the one from the tv series. Now if it was a continuation of the series then that would've bothered me. You get passed that and all the movies from 3 on are kick ass.
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I must be the only person in existence who never watched the show.
For people who have worried that Disco's always skirted being on the outskirts of of a more positive vision for the future, that it somehow ruined that by having Section 31 on the show, I think this is one of the best speeches Trek has done, and honestly, it's in many ways a retort to Sisko's "I can live with it" both speeches two captain's have had to give to themselves to convince them of a very difficult choice at hand
"You're a Starfleet captain. You believe in service, sacrifice, compassion... and love. No. I'm not going to abandon the things that made me what I am because of a future... that contains an ending I hadn't foreseen for myself" -Pike
"You're a Starfleet captain. You believe in service, sacrifice, compassion... and love. No. I'm not going to abandon the things that made me what I am because of a future... that contains an ending I hadn't foreseen for myself" -Pike
Though I can't change what I thought in 1996 and 2000, I'll give the films another look at some point.
If you like shows from that era, I give it a recommendation. It's the opposite of TOS. We never get into the main characters' heads. We see them doing their jobs, and anything they do is an act to accomplish whatever mission of espionage they're on. The thrill is in figuring out how they pull off what they're going to do... especially when it looks like it would be impossible!I must be the only person in existence who never watched the show.
The early seasons have a Cold War bend. As Vietnam became more unpopular and detente became a thing, the later seasons shifted to fighting the Mob. Because the series lasted from 1966 to 1973, it's interesting to see how the styles morph from the '60s to the '70s. And it's probably a good thing TOS ended in 1969.
EDIT: Two more things. You have to watch what's going on very closely. It's not just dialogue. You have to pay attention to what goes on visually or, if you don't, you'll be lost. Then what dialogue they do have on the show is very smartly written. Whatever they do say, they let the audience fill in the blanks of whatever they leave out or what they stop just short of saying.
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I'm going to rewatch the episode tonight, but that scene has been on my mind all day. The fact that Pike accepted a horrible fate for himself when any other person would have said, "fuck that shit" and tried finding another way to defeat Control shows just how badass of a captain Pike is. That would have to eat a man up, knowing what was coming in ten years' time. BUT, Pike can go on some badass, death-defying adventures between now and then and give absolutely ZERO shits about death or dismemberment, just because of that set future that has been shown to him
Regarding Pike's fate, the latest behind the scenes video from the official Star Trek YouTube channel has Kurtzman saying that that scene "frees us from canon completely, which is a big shackles-off thing, but it also allows for an entirely new set of stories." While I don't necessarily buy that we're getting a Pike show, I'm sure curious about that statement.
Which is why I hope this is what the Section 31 series is like for one. And that Spock works there for a couple of years under the code name "Paris"
I'm going to rewatch the episode tonight, but that scene has been on my mind all day. The fact that Pike accepted a horrible fate for himself when any other person would have said, "fuck that shit" and tried finding another way to defeat Control shows just how badass of a captain Pike is. That would have to eat a man up, knowing what was coming in ten years' time. BUT, Pike can go on some badass, death-defying adventures between now and then and give absolutely ZERO shits about death or dismemberment, just because of that set future that has been shown to him
Maybe that's why time crystals aren't mentioned in TNG days, as Starfleet decided that too many other Captains were paying the monestary a visit before heading off on their own death defying adventures and decided to put an end to that time crystal hoard.
I like Kurtzman and what he's done for the franchise, but someone needs to tell him that a puppy dies every time he says the word "canon."
They have been quite a few odd comments coming out of the show the last few weeks. Lets hope what's on screen lives up to the teasing they are doing in the media.
you mean the father who took his kid with him on a starship that was attacked and destroyed by the Borg and who had tio leav Jake's mother to die as a result; and then effectively abandoned Jake around the time that Jake is 16-17 to go live with some Wormhole aliens (who suddenly claim he's one of them)...that Ben Sisko? <--- Yeah, great dad there.
I thought Jake was an adult at the end of Deep Space Nine?
It's not like Sisko knew the Saratoga was going to be attacked by the borg.
Also, Jake was an adult living in his own quarters when Sisko left. Also I'm pretty sure Sisko didn't have much choice, considering the prophets saved him after he jumped into a pit of alien demons.
he was stated to be 15 in Season 2 - so that would make him 20 or 21 by the end of DS9. Still, that's honestly still a young age to effectively loose your father - and again, it wasn't that Ben Sisko dies; he effectively makes a choice to go be a Wormhole alien as he's half human/half wormhole alien. I mean come on it's just two years after the events of "The Visitor" - and the only difference there is Jake saw his father dissapear in an accident of sorts.
Sometimes parents have to do for themselves too.
Also, I'm not sure what Kurtzman thinks of as "canon" and the usual Trekkie definition of such 100% lines up, which is why I'm wary of some of his other statements around the same.
I haven't watched the video yet, but from your comment I'd guess what he probably means by it is they've now acknowledged and affirmed that, whatever may come in between, Pike will end up where he's "meant" to as we know from "The Menagerie" (TOS). He probably expects directly telegraphing to us that, like Pike himself, they aren't "choosing to walk away from this future" will make nitpickers feel less inclined to hastily cry "CANON VIOLATION!" at every turn, and more content to simply sit back and let the tale unfold. (Alas, if so, that's probably rather overly hopeful on his part.)
-MMoM
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Control is such a wrong headed idea to attach to the Federation. Remember Voyager thought the concept of a computer that a civilisation consulted before making decisions what only good enough to use on the comedic Hierarchy in Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy.
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