Spoilers General Disco Chat Thread

[XCV330]

My point is if most people no longer get religious marriages (which is accurate) and if there really isn't any particular legal recognition/framework for marriage any longer, then it might be the case that two people just announce "hey, we're married!" and that is that.

There might still be humans for whom familial lines are important. Registering the marriage in some way, even if it is not a legally binding matter, might still appeal to some. It might not have more power than those silly Star Registry websites or it might be more binding like the College of Arms.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

I would think that marriage is just like a *thing* people do, and they are registered for purposes of like 'next of kin', but I'm sure the Federation has a much more fluid definition of 'next of kin', used only for medical and whatnot purposes. I'd find it likely that you could register anyone as your next of kin in case of emergency, like a best friend. They're definitely not getting married for tax purposes in the Federation, but I don't think the human-specific practice of marriage is going away just because it's not necessary in the legal sense. If our religions survive into the 23rd, they're likely to be more inclusive and more about the message rather than the rules and the dos and do nots. I feel like marriage as a practice would evolve the same way, where the tradition lives on but the dumbass rules, religious connections, and legal bullshit does not.

Anyway, I think when Michael refers to Stamets as 'widower' it was meant to be more poetic than anything literal like they were actually married.

 

[Succubint]

We've seen a few marriages performed on screen over the decades. Kirk performed one in a chapel (poor groom died later in the episode). Picard officiated one in 10 Forward lounge for Miles and Keiko O'Brien. And Worf and Dax got married on DS9, although that was a Klingon ceremony, as I recall.

 

[XCV330]

EMH Doctor had two wives, the hologram Charlene and in the alternate 25th century he eloped with Lana.

This implies more than anything that there is some method of registering some marriages (barring Charlene, as EMH just made her up) since he mentions specifically they eloped therefore got married without a ceremony.

 

[Nyotarules]

By forcing Burnham to be raised like a Vulcan child was Sarek practising child abuse? (repressing her emotions etc) Was he just plain stupid and Amanda complicit?

 

[Alan Roi]

By forcing Burnham to be raised like a Vulcan child was Sarek practising child abuse? (repressing her emotions etc) Was he just plain stupid and Amanda complicit?

No more so than, say, any Japanese parent is abusing their children when they teach them to fit into Japanese culture for example. And given how talented and successful Burhnam ends up becoming as an adult, I'm not sure how he and Amanda can even be considered bad parents in general.

 

[fireproof78]

By forcing Burnham to be raised like a Vulcan child was Sarek practising child abuse? (repressing her emotions etc) Was he just plain stupid and Amanda complicit?

Well, does that apply to Worf? Spock? Odo? B'Elanna? Sela?

 

[Hythlodeus]

Well, does that apply to Worf? Spock? Odo? B'Elanna? Sela?

To Worf as a parent or Worf as a child? Because Worf is probably right behind Sarek in terms of the father of the year competition

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

No more so than, say, any Japanese parent is abusing their children when they teach them to fit into Japanese culture for example. And given how talented and successful Burhnam ends up becoming as an adult, I'm not sure how he and Amanda can even be considered bad parents in general.

It's slightly different though, since humans don't generally function well when they aren't allowed to have feelings, especially children. It's one thing to ask a human child to fit into a cultural norm of studying all the time and being part of the whole instead of individuality, but to take away laughter and crying and love and affection and to go as far as to suppress them is another. I wouldn't say it was abuse but it definitely wasn't the way I'd go about raising an orphan. And the show seems to make a point of showing that she wasn't complete until she embraced emotions and became more *human*.

 

[Alan Roi]

It's slightly different though, since humans don't generally function well when they aren't allowed to have feelings, especially children. It's one thing to ask a human child to fit into a cultural norm of studying all the time and being part of the whole instead of individuality, but to take away laughter and crying and love and affection is another.

But again, there are plenty of societies here on Earth now that that teach the repression of the expression of feelings to their children as a cultural norm as western society's suggest is 'normal'. As for Burhnam, she does not come across as a person who act like she does not feel she is loved by either of her parents.

 

[fireproof78]

To Worf as a parent or Worf as a child? Because Worf is probably right behind Sarek in terms of the father of the year competition

As a child, though you make a good point regarding him as a father.

Let's be real-parents in Star Trek are not lining up for awards.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Let's be real-parents in Star Trek are not lining up for awards.

Benjamin Sisko says "hello".

ETA: Data is included on this list as well.

https://www.tor.com/2018/08/17/the-greatest-dads-in-science-fiction-fantasy-and-the-universe/

Rom did all right as well.

 

[Alan Roi]

As a child, though you make a good point regarding him as a father.

Let's be real-parents in Star Trek are not lining up for awards.

Yep. Because they are busy saving the Federation on a regular basis and not home tucking their kids in every night.

 

[fireproof78]

Benjamin Sisko says "hello".

ETA: Data is included on this list as well.

https://www.tor.com/2018/08/17/the-greatest-dads-in-science-fiction-fantasy-and-the-universe/

Rom did all right as well.

Exceptions not the rule.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Don't tell me that Moogie wasn't a great mom! She took off her clothes for her son!

 

[eschaton]

Benjamin Sisko says "hello".

ETA: Data is included on this list as well.

https://www.tor.com/2018/08/17/the-greatest-dads-in-science-fiction-fantasy-and-the-universe/

Rom did all right as well.

O'Brien was a great dad too. And I didn't think Beverly did a bad job with Wesley.

Honestly, I think the ratio of good to bad parents in Trek is pretty even. The weird thing is how few people seem to have kids. The Federation would have demographic collapse with a birth rate this low.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I recall Jadzia saying that Dax had a pretty even success ratio with its parenting attempts as well.

 

[Tuskin38]

Theory time

I think the next time we see L’Rell she’ll be on a D7, meeting with Discovery to discuss this new threat that Spock mentions in the trailers

 

[eschaton]

Theory time

I think the next time we see L’Rell she’ll be on a D7, meeting with Discovery to discuss this new threat that Spock mentions in the trailers

Didn't Mary Cheiffo claim that she was upgraded to "main cast" this season?

I mean so far, we've only seen her in one episode, and we're halfway through the season. There must be a hella lot of L'Rell in the back end.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeah the Klingons will probably show up more when the big bad starts rearing it’s head, of it really is going to wipe out all life in the Galaxy, the Klingons are part of that life.