Just saw "Butcher's Knife." The butcher's knife may not care, but Burnham evidently does.
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Another one of those actor BTS vids, this time Anthony Rapp.
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I ordered a Disco T-shirt online (finally) and bought Season 1 on Blu-Ray. I've officially done my Guilty Purchasing for the season.
On the Holiday Score, my five-year-old niece was super-thrilled at the present I got her this year. A more excited reaction than to any of the other presents she got. A Hello Kitty hat with gloves that she said she wants to wear all the time. Before that, I got her a teddy bear she still sleeps with to this day. I'm two for two. My bother's showing her TAS. One year, I'll be able to get her something Star Trek related. It's just a matter of time.
On the Holiday Score, my five-year-old niece was super-thrilled at the present I got her this year. A more excited reaction than to any of the other presents she got. A Hello Kitty hat with gloves that she said she wants to wear all the time. Before that, I got her a teddy bear she still sleeps with to this day. I'm two for two. My bother's showing her TAS. One year, I'll be able to get her something Star Trek related. It's just a matter of time.
I've got that DISCO tshirt as well...I'll be wearing it on S2 premier night.
Just watched "Pain," and the featurette on production design.
I had a great deal of trouble matching this young Mudd to Roger Carmel's Mudd. And the scene of Lorca using his eye-therapy device, and the one of the "Klingon dominatrix" applying a "Clockwork-Orange-inspired-device" to force him to stare into bright lights, both kind of set my teeth on edge (I've always been extremely squeamish about my eyes, and I find that as I get older, I get even more squeamish about them; I can't imagine how I'd get through cataract surgery [and by contrast, I actually enjoyed watching my last colonoscopy on the monitor, in real time!]).
But that said, I've found that both "Pain" and "Butcher's Knife" certainly feel like Star Trek to me. And while maybe the older Roddenberry might not have liked them, the Roddenberry who wrote "The Cage," "The Omega Glory," and "A Private Little War" very well might have.
I was surprised, but very pleased, to see Robert April at the top of the list Saru got of the most decorated Starfleet captains. I was also a bit surprised to hear both Tilly and Stamitz making non-literal use of the old Anglo-Saxon word for sexual intercourse. I wasn't aware that "Army Creole" survived into the 23rd Century.
I had a great deal of trouble matching this young Mudd to Roger Carmel's Mudd. And the scene of Lorca using his eye-therapy device, and the one of the "Klingon dominatrix" applying a "Clockwork-Orange-inspired-device" to force him to stare into bright lights, both kind of set my teeth on edge (I've always been extremely squeamish about my eyes, and I find that as I get older, I get even more squeamish about them; I can't imagine how I'd get through cataract surgery [and by contrast, I actually enjoyed watching my last colonoscopy on the monitor, in real time!]).
But that said, I've found that both "Pain" and "Butcher's Knife" certainly feel like Star Trek to me. And while maybe the older Roddenberry might not have liked them, the Roddenberry who wrote "The Cage," "The Omega Glory," and "A Private Little War" very well might have.
I was surprised, but very pleased, to see Robert April at the top of the list Saru got of the most decorated Starfleet captains. I was also a bit surprised to hear both Tilly and Stamitz making non-literal use of the old Anglo-Saxon word for sexual intercourse. I wasn't aware that "Army Creole" survived into the 23rd Century.
Sure it’s the first time they’ve said ‘Fuck’ in Star Trek, but it isn’t the first time they’ve sworn in the franchise.
Its use wasn’t really out of place, and it was used in a positive matter not negative.
And its use doesn’t really fit the definition of ‘army creole’. For one it’s a one off thing, it’s not used extensively, and it’s not being used to get another characters attention or used towards another character, Tilly was just excited.
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Fuckin' A.
But at the same time, I expect to hear "Army Creole" out of the mouth of, say, Gus Grissom (especially as portrayed by Fred Ward, in The Right Stuff). Coming from a character written and portrayed as a complete and utter ingenue, and an actress who could very easily get herself typecast in such roles, it seems like it was intended purely for shock value.
But at the same time, I expect to hear "Army Creole" out of the mouth of, say, Gus Grissom (especially as portrayed by Fred Ward, in The Right Stuff). Coming from a character written and portrayed as a complete and utter ingenue, and an actress who could very easily get herself typecast in such roles, it seems like it was intended purely for shock value.
It’s not army creole though, unless I have the definition of that term wrong. It’s just a standard use of the word.
I agree that the writers were probably going for some shock, I just don’t feel like your description of it’s use is accurate to the situation. Tilly is young, still a cadet, and very excitable.
I agree that the writers were probably going for some shock, I just don’t feel like your description of it’s use is accurate to the situation. Tilly is young, still a cadet, and very excitable.
Yes, and I was exaggerating a bit. Thick "Army Creole" uses "fuck" so gratuitously that, well, there's an old joke involving a soldier returning from a 24 hour pass, and telling his buddies about it, with the punchline, "What the fuck do you think happened, you fuckin' idiots? We had sexual intercourse."
If we only go by that, some ruder folks would say she's a drunken tramp.Tilly is an ingenue??????? She's hardly an innocent or unsophisticated.
Evidently an episode I haven't seen yet.
They're just watching the series for the first time.
I got a different take on Starfleet than some, especially during this period.
The Fed is basically a interstellar utopia, apart from the colonies that tend to appeal to people who really need and want the challenge, or just basically don't like having big friendly brother in their business all the time (correlated with the novel Drastic Measures)
Look at the attrition rate for Connies, or just general crew losses if Enterprise was indicative of ships on long missions. You'd have to be nuts to want to be in Starfleet. You could stay at home, have a meaningful, fun existence with presumably some kind of comfortable standard of living regardless.
Or you could enlist into Starfleet. I suspect that kind of people, humans anyway, that are prone to say Fuck, Double-Dumb-Ass, keep a portable bartender kit, consider selling Orion slave girls as a viable retirement plan,or like Kirk, are Starfleet Brats that were probably going to go that route anyway as they had no real home.
Admittedly this is the 23rd century. Tilly PROBABLY doesn't have a guy in every port, a side business smuggling Romulan brandy extract in a cavity, or say Fuck every other word, but I think its believable she's the best they could get.
Even so she wasn't the ingenue in the early episodes.
Wide-eyed? Intimidated by everybody and everything? Painfully shy? Fuck yes (so to speak), I'd call her an ingenue.
Clearly she outgrows it rather quickly. Which is good; it means there's ongoing character development.
Clearly she outgrows it rather quickly. Which is good; it means there's ongoing character development.
It always seemed to me that Pike was very uncomfortable during the Orion Fantasy scene.
I never believed he actually wanted to become an Orion Slave Trader.
It just happened to be a wisp of one of his dreams that the Talosians picked up on first, because they were exceedingly desperate to experience, strong emotional thoughts from their new "pet".
She can be socially awkward but she's not painfully shy. I don't see her being intimidated by everyone and everything. She makes a good showing as part of the boarding party in Episode 3. She's the one who draws down on the shushing Klingon. She keeps a pretty cool head while surrounded by destruction and mayhem.
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