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Doing a temperature check on the season so far, since we're halfway through, I find myself growing less and less enthusiastic, even though I'd say I liked 3 out of 5 of the episodes thus far.

As is typically the case with Discovery, the pace seems to have slowed down quite a bit after the season opened with a bang. That isn't always a bad thing, but we were promised by the marketing a romp of a treasure hunt, and the last few episodes have lacked the Indiana Jones vibe entirely, settling into normal DIS (post Michelle Paradise) vibes.

Episode 4 told me that the Federation's survival was at stake, but I've been teased with this so many times now, there's a boy who cried wolf issue here. Moll and La'k aren't coming across as either threatening or compelling as antagonists - everything about them is a pastiche of things that I've seen done elsewhere better (including by Discovery). Michael Burnham has faced down warlords and emperesses and a killer AI. Now she's up against Bonnie and Clyde minus engaging banter.

Knowing it's the last season also makes me a bit annoyed at how little time we have remaining with the characters, and how underutilized many have been this season. Saru, for example, has been absent for two episodes straight. I'm starting to wonder if we're going to get satisfying conclusions to their character arcs, because we probably have at most another three episodes before we're stuck into the season endgame and the season shifts from character to plot more heavily. At least Rayner remains a breath of fresh air. Best decision the show could have made, giving Michael an XO with whom she has some tension.
 
^ Agree with your points on the whole. However, comparing only the mid-seasons for S3 - 5, the mid-season slump seems a bit less pronounced this year than in seasons 3 & 4. At least to me. I continue to be mystified why they sidelined Saru, one of the best characters.
 
^ Agree with your points on the whole. However, comparing only the mid-seasons for S3 - 5, the mid-season slump seems a bit less pronounced this year than in seasons 3 & 4. At least to me. I continue to be mystified why they sidelined Saru, one of the best characters.

Yeah, but this is the first 10-episode season of DIS. By definition there will be a smaller mid-season slump, with 10 rather than 13-14 episodes, as we have to be heading into the endgame by the last scene of episode 8 at the latest for the pacing to make sense.

Which makes perfect sense, sequentially speaking, as we now have 3 out of 5 of the key bits. So we have two weeks for gathering additional bits, and one week for complications, ala Face the Strange.
 
Yeah, but this is the first 10-episode season of DIS. By definition there will be a smaller mid-season slump, with 10 rather than 13-14 episodes, as we have to be heading into the endgame by the last scene of episode 8 at the latest for the pacing to make sense.

Which makes perfect sense, sequentially speaking, as we now have 3 out of 5 of the key bits. So we have two weeks for gathering additional bits, and one week for complications, ala Face the Strange.
Great point. I forgot the 10 episode season was new to Discovery.
 
I'm still hoping the Kelvin films get a similar treatment, but right now it feels like a long journey still.
Everything in its time. At the moment the Kelvin films are lumped in with the modern shows and thus are hated accordingly. When the current iteration ends and we move onto a new one and everyone starts hating it, the Kelvin films along with the current shows will be reassessed by fandom and determined to be not that bad and a lot better than the crap that's now (in the future) being produced.

This is the way.
 
Everything in its time. At the moment the Kelvin films are lumped in with the modern shows and thus are hated accordingly. When the current iteration ends and we move onto a new one and everyone starts hating it, the Kelvin films along with the current shows will be reassessed by fandom and determined to be not that bad and a lot better than the crap that's now (in the future) being produced.

This is the way.
The hatred is there mostly for its own sake, but far more muted than in the past.

Thankfully season 5 has been solid throughout and we can say so.
 
For anyone in the Washington DC area of the USA there is an early screening of episode 6 with SMG in attendance on Monday. Reported on P+ socials.
 
For anyone in the Washington DC area of the USA there is an early screening of episode 6 with SMG in attendance on Monday. Reported on P+ socials.
I'm in Boston, so I can't do it, but... Something BIG must happen in this one. Usually, early screenings are reserved for only season or mid-season premieres and finales.
 
Something BIG must happen in this one. Usually, early screenings are reserved for only season or mid-season premieres and finales.
The Lower Decks episode Caves was neither a season or midseason premiere or finale, nor did it have anything big happen in it yet it got an advanced screening.
 
I enjoyed it, but it wasn't really a special episode at all. IIRC, it was mostly a case of they needed something for New York Comic Con because the strikes were still going on, and that was the next episode due to air so they ran it.
 
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Everything in its time. At the moment the Kelvin films are lumped in with the modern shows and thus are hated accordingly. When the current iteration ends and we move onto a new one and everyone starts hating it, the Kelvin films along with the current shows will be reassessed by fandom and determined to be not that bad and a lot better than the crap that's now (in the future) being produced.

This is the way.

It shouldn't be the way. I'm tired of every fandom being this now
 
Honestly, it isn't really the way. Not entirely, at least.

Yes, ENT's reputation has been partially rehabilitated and I fully expect later Treks to follow.

But that's not because people are petty, irrational, fickle jerks who only hated something because it was new.

It's because most of the people who hated ENT still hate it but have long since stopped bothering engaging with it or discussion of it. And the number of people who like it has grown as much or more because more people have seen it in the past 20 years than because of people who used to hate it changing their minds.

That's the difference that time makes. It's not about people getting over it - there are still people who never got over TNG if you just look for them - it's about a show ultimately finding its audience and the people who aren't part of that audience learning to let go and focus on other things.
 
Oftentimes they don't even actually hate what they're dunking on, they just know that's what'll get them internet points. My best friend actually liked The Last Jedi when they watched it, but the moment they saw the online discourse, they immediately made a 180° and started to mock it incessantly, and kept doing it as long as it remained the internet's favorite thing to hate.
 
It shouldn't be the way. I'm tired of every fandom being this now
"Now?" This isn't a recent development, a lot of fandoms have been like this for a long time. Back in the 1980s Doctor Who fandom actually adopted this as an official operating policy to hate the current productions, then rewatch and reassess them in five years to determine that it wasn't as bad as everyone said it was at the time and is much better than the crap currently airing.

And really, it's part of human nature. People always pine for the "good old days" and insist that yesterday was better than today, today often being considered synonymous with a steaming load of horseshit. Doesn't matter that the past has its flaws and back then people complained that it was a crappy time, it will always be romanticized after the fact.

This is the way.
 
Oftentimes they don't even actually hate what they're dunking on, they just know that's what'll get them internet points. My best friend actually liked The Last Jedi when they watched it, but the moment they saw the online discourse, they immediately made a 180° and started to mock it incessantly, and kept doing it as long as it remained the internet's favorite thing to hate.

The ironic thing is that about a decade later, the haters usually end up changing their minds and seeing the positives. See Enterprise and the Star Wars prequel trilogy. I guess it’s just the heat of the moment or something. I don’t know. I try not to be swayed by the online hive mind and just listen to how I feel about a movie.
 
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