So you got about half way through? Commendable! I skipped the whole thing
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Earlier this year, I found social media was turning me into a bitter, negative asshole and I didn’t like it, so at least now I TRY to give people a fair hearing.So you got about half way through? Commendable! I skipped the whole thing
I recently found the “ignore user” functionality here. It’s very useful. I find it better to ignore certain type of folk rather than try to explain to them your point of view.
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I've found it worth challenge. IMO, many detractors aren't that difficult to either out-debate or expose where their complaints are actually sourced from.
Wise choice. I gave it a shot. I will never learn to read the warning signs, apparently.
Admins probably are waiting for confirmation of 32nd century setting. There is also confusion whether it's 32nd or 33rd century in the first place (depending if you go by Kurtzman or you know, what was actually said on the show)
I agree with this point except the part about Burnham being a Mary Sue. She obviously has flaws and isn't perfect, which disqualifies her from Mary Sue status. I mean, Kirk or Riker were far greater "Gary Stu"-types than Burnham is Mary Sue.
The issue with Burnham isn't that she's so perfect that she can solve any problem on her own without help. The issue I have with the character is that she THINKS she doesn't need help solving problems. The writers always have her out doing her own thing rather than having her interacting with the crew to solve problems together.
In my opinion the writers are missing a great chance to get Burnham working together with the other characters and getting those character involved in fun and entertaining ways through the interactions required to solve problems together.
Get Stamets involved with something Burnham is doing. Let him be his brilliant-yet-prickly self. Get Tilly to help Stamets, and every time she gets annoying (which can be entertaining) have Stamets call her out in some snarky-but-well-meaning manner (I think he should actively mentor Tilly). We need Burnahm to also spend more time on the bridge with Saru, while Saru doing and saying clever things.
I'm not sure why the writers want to isolate Burnham so much from the rest of the characters. If she's the main character, she should be the one having the most interactions with the other characters -- not off doing her own thing. It was fine in the first season, and actually understandable, considering her background journey. However, this second season they continued this idea of Burnham off on her own being all angsty and constantly involved in dramatically gut-wrenching stuff, which results in far fewer entertaining moments with the rest of the characters.
But Mary Sue? No.
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By getting Burnham's story more closely involved with the rest of the characters and having entertaining interactions with those characters would have the added benefit of giving Burnham a little more personality and warmth, which is something some people feel the character is often lacking.
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The only true Mary Sue on Discovery is Po. I mean she is a literal queen of her planet, physically attractive, galactically smart, can fly a fighter, can come up with better tactics on the fly. Oh wait.. she couldn't replicate ice cream. Strike my Mary Sue comment.
And this is part of how I see Michael as a subversion (possibly even deliberate) of the Mary Sue trope. But many people don't bother looking beyond the superficial if that provides sufficient validation for their views.
As for why I think they focused on her martyr complex? Because its her biggest flaw, and exploring character flaws are more interesting in the short term than fixing them, which is more of a long term process.
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Do you think we'll ever find out who was in the pods when Jett Reno was rescued from the asteroid? Personally, I'd LOVE if the patients were survivors of the I.S.S. Discovery... namely Captain Killy and Prime Gabriel Lorca 
I was going to say the same thing. One may like it or not, but seven seasons and a fanbase do not equal failure.
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Definitely not a failure but some people don't like it. Others think it's superior to DS9 and TNG.
My question is more along the lines of how would he have gotten there?
But that's funny.
I can go even more fanwanky than that...Do you think we'll ever find out who was in the pods when Jett Reno was rescued from the asteroid? Personally, I'd LOVE if the patients were survivors of the I.S.S. Discovery... namely Captain Killy and Prime Gabriel Lorca
Captain Killy was captured by the Klingons and survived the war on Rura Penthe. A few months after Discovery's mysterious disappearance, she organized a successful prison break with a bunch of other lowlifes and founded her own criminal organization that engaged in several violent turf wars with the Orion Syndicate before getting wiped out and the survivors joining the latter. She's been on the run ever since, being captured by local law enforcement at the freshly colonized frontier numerous times, even escaping custody together with Harry Mudd once (before knocking him out and stealing his ship, of course).Prime Lorca is just sitting in a Mirror Universe prison cell somewhere, completely forgotten about like Na'Toth was in Babylon 5... imprisoned on the personal orders of Emperor Georgiou, no one actually had the authority to countermand it and no emperor succeeding her ever had the patience to review every single order their predecessors had made.
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In my opinion, whether I like it or not, it is still a part of Star Trek.
That doesn't say much... TATV is also a part of Star Trek... Not the best part though...
TATV is not part of Star Trek. It just isn’t.
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