Which apparently was very realistic...
Gene Roddenbury's Vision Is Probably Not Realistic Enough to Be in Our Future
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I think in it's most distilled version, Gene's vision was simply an idea that there we will have a future (rather than not) and that it'll be a time when a person won't be discriminated by what they look like. Everything else is kind of sci-fi window dressing, some of it by Gene, some of it not--but he gets the credit/blame for them regardless.
Based on the low on the radar casting of writers CBS is drafting from Rick Berman's dried up well of talent for the new Trek series, my hopes for an uplifting Star Trek series is waning rapidly. The darkness and gloom trend is dead, but I doubt CBS will ever get it.
I don't know if the future will be anything like the Trek future but I certainly don't think moving in that direction is impossible.
What? Aside from Bryan Fuller, no one on the new series has worked with Berman.
The line was Cochrane's. My post was a jokey spin on it.
And Joe Menosky, but your point stands.
Oh, I didn't know Menosky was involved in the new show.
In some ways, Gene's "vision" gives itself some leeway, by the implication that before things go all optimistic and utopian, humanity basically has to pull itself through the shit pile first. So, there's some realism in the prediction that we nearly wipe ourselves out as a species, have an epiphany of sorts, and (post-first contact) begin to slowly drag ourselves towards what we see in Star Trek's 23rd and 24th centuries.
From that perspective, therefore, there is every possibility that the sad-sack world we all currently live in could still evolve into Star Trek's optimistic future. But it isn't going to happen seamlessly, nor without significant loss of life in the meantime.
In practical terms though, I've often wondered if the happy-go-lucky Star Trek universe is actually our alternate, and that we have the misfortune to be living in what will ultimately become the Mirror Universe instead.
This.
From that perspective, therefore, there is every possibility that the sad-sack world we all currently live in could still evolve into Star Trek's optimistic future. But it isn't going to happen seamlessly, nor without significant loss of life in the meantime.
In practical terms though, I've often wondered if the happy-go-lucky Star Trek universe is actually our alternate, and that we have the misfortune to be living in what will ultimately become the Mirror Universe instead.
This.
That's entirely up to us, how we raise our children and thus how they raise theirs. We have the choice to make now. What principles and philosophies will we consider important to nourish in our children?
We're not the Mirror Universe. By now in the MU humanity was already a united race, as indicated by the fact Neil Armstrong planted the flag of the Terran Empire on the moon as opposed to the US flag. Granted, they were likely united through conquest, but still, there you have it. MU humanity banded together at leas a century before Prime Universe humanity did.
The Federation seems very unrealistic for example there would be a huge rift between manual workers like miners and higher society like Starfleet, what the pay gap between them? Another issue would be the lack of democracy, how would member states have democratic representation in the Federation? What happens if a member wanted to leave?
Come on, even Berman isn't into the doom and gloom trend. These are HIS WORDS from the Yahoo article on the 10th anniversary of TATV (which didn't live up to the vision of a hopeful future but that's a topic for another day). See for yourself here.
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/a-decade-without-trek-part-2-boldly-going-into-118951416590.html
As for whether Gene's vision can work in real life, well some of it is completely unrealistic. The idea of United States of Africa sounds laughable when there's always a civil war in at least 1 African country. But some of it has already come true, like the emphasis on diversity that wasn't there in the 60's. Or at the very least, most major institutions giving it lip service. It's really all about what he believed we should strive for.
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Sorry, I meant TODAY is when the dark Trek is selling and being presented because of all the bad happenings in the world.
It was Berman-Era Trek to have the Vulcans take us under their wing??
Oh yeah, they had a TOS episode where the original U.S.S. Enterprise met Zefram Cochrane.
Didn't they basically scrap the TOS Zefram Cochrane?
That pretty much solely came from ENT, so yes it was Berman.
Wasn't much to scrap. He was a paper thin character.
The episode "First Contact" implies that the Federation takes newly warp capable species under their wing. That was season four of TNG, not sure how much input Roddenberry had on the episode though.
You know, even if you accept that 'whites have it easier', have you done a comparison with the rest of the world about how optimistic the people's prospects are - particularly for minority races?
But the one thing to destroy our future and our sense of an optimistic spirit? Becoming permanently mired in old hatreds.
Apologies for bringing it up. But there's not a lot of tolerance for people who don't toe the line in the US. All one has to do is look at lots of reactions to Sunday mornings gay club shooting.
http://thoughtcatalog.com/jacob-gee...ople-applauding-the-orlando-gay-club-shooter/
Don't let the assholes on the internet convince you that everyone thinks like they do. They're loud precisely because they're NOT speaking for the people as a whole. Step back and look it... This was the single worst crime in fifty years of American history, brought to you by a foreign culture centered on hate.. and while our freedom allows us our assholes, it also speaks of how terrible and wrong this event was. Millions of people, including many who don't even support homosexuality, are sending charity, prayers, support, and love for the victims and their families... and there is a calm but firm cry for greater justice.
What we see in Star Trek, at least in TOS, is already with us. It just can be hard to recognize sometimes.
What we see in Star Trek, at least in TOS, is already with us. It just can be hard to recognize sometimes.
You do realize that the shooter was an American citizen? Born and raised here in the US. There are plenty of self-professed Christians out there that spew hate, all one has to do is look to Westboro Baptist Church.
Just because a group perverts a religions teachings, doesn't mean the religion itself is centered on hate.
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