Garak vs. Obrien, who is Bashirs best friend?
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Well, be happy for that.
Anyway, Swifts music can be described as "lightweight commercial pop". There is no rock at all in that music.
That's one thing I like with Star Trek, that humans have evolved to something better than what we see today in the gloomy 2020's.
But nothing of this explains the lack of rock music in a future where all other sorts of music is existing.
They are good friends!
They're not better. They're snobbish, elite and arrogant.
There's a reason rock music doesn't exist, as I've mentioned.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. We haven’t seen anyone on Trek listen to Drum & Bass music either, but that’s not conclusive evidence that it doesn’t exist in the fictional future of the franchise. By that logic people don’t use the toilet in Star Trek’s future either, just because they never showed anyone use it.
Also, you can’t forget that this is a television show. And as such many of the producers over the years tried to only include music that would not immediately date the respective shows. Having a Grunge song play in an episode of Deep Space Nine would have been timely and cutting edge for a show produced in the early 90s. But watching it now it naturally would date the episode to that era of television. You can argue that this is a futile undertaking in the first place and that conventions of filming, writing, acting and production design will inevitably date a show to certain timeframe, but what they tried to do was at least not deliberately include contemporary references to pop culture.
I’m not saying that this is always a good thing or that I’m necessarily a proponent of that thinking, but their reasoning made sense to them and I think it’s disingenuous to say they didn’t include Rock music because they wanted to portray the characters as “snobbish, elite and arrogant”.
Also, you can’t forget that this is a television show. And as such many of the producers over the years tried to only include music that would not immediately date the respective shows. Having a Grunge song play in an episode of Deep Space Nine would have been timely and cutting edge for a show produced in the early 90s. But watching it now it naturally would date the episode to that era of television. You can argue that this is a futile undertaking in the first place and that conventions of filming, writing, acting and production design will inevitably date a show to certain timeframe, but what they tried to do was at least not deliberately include contemporary references to pop culture.
I’m not saying that this is always a good thing or that I’m necessarily a proponent of that thinking, but their reasoning made sense to them and I think it’s disingenuous to say they didn’t include Rock music because they wanted to portray the characters as “snobbish, elite and arrogant”.
I don't think they wanted to appear elitist and arrogant. I think they wanted to show an appreciation for cultured music and such while trying to avoid dating the show as much as possible.
I think the outcome was a more arrogant attitude but I doubt it was intended.
Does that basically mean that smart people don't listen to rock or metal?
Or that people who listen to that kind of music can't be that smart?
It's not as cultured.
At least that's my reading and certainly an attitude I held as a young man.
Let us not forget that in ENT Tripp once answered a poop question in which he explained how poop is reconfigured into useful items aboard the ship.
More likely it's just that taste in contemporary music is polarizing and Star Trek doesn't want to lose ANY of their audience on something that's not an essential part of the show.
I want to ask a similar question to this thread, but a bit more meta. Who is William Shatners characters' best friend, Spock or Alan Shore? 
Are you saying that a human eliminating waste from its body is somehow in doubt?
I do find them better than today's squabbling, fighting, arguing and war-monging people.
The reason that there are no rock music in Star Trek is because of the producers who belong to the squabbling, fighting, arguing and war-monging people.
Rock music which united the world in the late fifties and early sixties and following decades, at least up to 2010 is probably too peaceful for them.
But I still find it weird that there are no rock music in Star Trek while jazz is acceptable.
What we have had is Riker playing jazz, Tom Paris is a fan of the culture in the 20th century, especially the 50's and 60's and Vic Fontaine's lounge is dated back to 1962 but still no rock music which was the most liked and popular music fron 1956 to 2010.
And t's still popular despite that the 2020's mainstream media refuse to play it.
Honestly, the smart people I know listen to rock music while the not so smart, shallow people I sometimes encounter listen to rap, hiohop and commercial lightweight pop.
I disagree with many things you've said in this topic, but boy.... When you are right, you are right!!
Metal is most certainly part of the rock tree. I am more of a rock/hard rock kinda guy, with som heavy rock and heavy metal. And it's all so connected.
I don't think playing grunge in the 90s would make them dated, perhaps they just like some old music. Classical is old as well and even older. I would love it if they showed us the future of any music of earth. I also think that musical tastes have nothing to do with intelligence unless it's something like Ice Spice. Just kidding, Sort of. I believe you can have bad taste in music and be stronger in other areas.
Now more Obrien and Bashir.
Now more Obrien and Bashir.
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Thank you for agreeing with me here.
Now I've starting to feel like Q in the Voyager episode Death Wish:
JANEWAY: Based on my research, you have been many things. A rude, interfering, inconsiderate, sadistic
Q: You've made your point.
JANEWAY: Pest. And, oh yes, you introduced us to the Borg, thank you very much. But one thing you have never been is a liar.
Q: I think you've uncovered my one redeeming virtue. Am I blushing?
It should surprise no one. The Jazz presented in Star Trek is denuded of its power, becoming the sort of innocuous and polite tinklings that might happen in the background at a wedding. More often than not, it is really just pop songs played in a Jazz-sounding style anyway. No one, not Riker or Sisko, is breaking out "Salt Peanuts" or "MIssissippi Goddam."
Bashir and O'Brien actually sang a drunken duet, in "Explorers". Bashir never did that with Garak.
Another Bashir and O'Brien moment:
I didn't know what the song was. I had to look it up. The song is not rock, metal or pop.
The name of the song is "Jerusalem", an English Christian hymn, according to Memory Alpha.
It is curious that the writer chose a song from this genre of music.
Another Bashir and O'Brien moment:
I didn't know what the song was. I had to look it up. The song is not rock, metal or pop.
The name of the song is "Jerusalem", an English Christian hymn, according to Memory Alpha.
It is curious that the writer chose a song from this genre of music.
