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Garak vs. Obrien, who is Bashirs best friend?

Garak vs. Obrien, who is Bashirs best friend?


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I remember Paris but they have not listened to anything post 50/60s but it was a nice surprise they listened to some rock. It would have been nice to see what future rock music would be like. Even some alien music. The closets to alien music we got.

Despites its comedic purpose... Rock opera maybe?

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The closest to being wild would be jazz. Even Worf called it noise when Riker introduced it to Alexander, like a parent would call your rock music. I do remember Data singing Bobby Darrin in an ST Film. Think it was 'Nemesis.' My head canon was that they looked so straight up 60's in OG was because they came across some old footage and liked the style. But then I would have to forget the absence of Rock music.

ETA: I forgot Cochran listened to rock. 60s though. Maybe it was such a dark future that no one could make anymore, lol. Lol, at Geordi and Riker telling him to turn it down like your parents. Ok it WAS a bit loud.

In DS9 Odo and Kira were given a flower from a hippy and they looked WTF? But they were aliens. Youd think it would be a big part of earth history since the revolution was very much attached to the Civil Rights movement.

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Devils music? But most humans in the future seemed to be atheists. Partly joking. I was raised by a Catholic mother, and she did not mind rocking out with me at times.

Was not a big fan of the Kelvin Timeline but they did at least play rock music, well Kirk did, post 60's like the Beastie Boys. He seemed to be the only one that knew what it was. The joke being it must be classical.


I feel about that is that Garak is F*ed up (I like him) and Parmak is stupid. But they are Cardassians. And they seem really hard on the whole.


If they did it would have been a bad one IMHO. They had no chemistry. At least to me.

RE: Fanworks. OC's in actual already established properties are usually boring and considered Mary Sues or Marty Stus. I think it's fine to write this stuff. It's not hurting anyone.
When it comes to Paris, he was said to be some expert on that era, cars, music and general behavior.

However, the only music he presented what I can remember was in an episode where The Doctor had a date with a Vidiian . They were at the holodeck, i na holodeck simulation of Mars, sitting in a 50's car while listening to something which sounded more Like Vic Fontaine than rock. Some early sixties song or copy of such a song.

I don't remember igf he did something more in this style, it's been ages since I watchhed Voyager's seasons 3-6 and I never watched season 7, except for the end episode which was really bad.

The idea that rock should be the devil's music is pure nonsense. In fact, rock and certain sports are what actually unites people all over the world and make people find a common ground. Not to mention that during the years I have found a lot of Christians among rock musicians, among them at least one member of Iron Maiden.

I grew up with a lot of Christian people around me but none of them had any objections to the music as being devilish or so. It was the music itself and the long hair which annoyed the most critical grown-ups around me. not all were critical, I must point out.

THat jazz is showed up in Star Trek but not rock is also a bit confusing since jazz did have the same bad reputation for some time than rock got later.

OK, it may have been a money thing. But if it did cost too much to throw in some known rock song at some point, they could have gone for something cheaper, something made by som elocal band which made have sounded similar to, let's say Rolling stones or so.

I'm not a fan of the Kelvin timeline either but bringing in some rock was OK. The Cochran thing was also good.

I like Garak because he's complicated and unpredictable and I consider Cardassians as the best adversary in Star Trek.

What really p***ed me off recently was how Garak has been destroyed in a book by an author I actually liked. Such a waste!

As for Garak-Ziyal, I could actually have accepted a Garak-Ziyal romance. It was nice in some way.

As for writing, I try to avoid relationships in my stories.

Just like the Star Trek writers, I'm not good when it comes to writing about relations. The difference between them and me are that they are constantly doing it and mostly the result is bad.

In many cases, those relationships are hampering the characters and many stories as well.
Mostly I avoid dabbling in the personalities of the characters. The only time I do that are when certain things limits the characters or ruin them, like Kes's 9 year lifespan, the Ocampa one children thing and the destruction of favorite characters like Kes, Garak and Gowron in episodes or books:

As for favorites, here they are:
 
OK, it may have been a money thing. But if it did cost too much to throw in some known rock song at some point, they could have gone for something cheaper, something made by som elocal band which made have sounded similar to, let's say Rolling stones or so.
One of the big things Trek would do was avoid too much of pop culture references. You'll note that even going back in time we're seeing landmarks, and dealing with people, not anything specific.

JANEWAY: What will we need to pass as locals in this era?
PARIS: Simple. Nice clothes, fast car and lots of money.

Nothing about music. Music, for all of Trek's other fascinating comments on our future, simply isn't as important to the writers to speculate on. Possibly owing to the attempt with "Way to Eden" or simply a bias on the part of the producers. It's why we see random holodeck programs that reflect writer interests, or use of jazz, or driving, etc.

Rock music does not appear to be of interest to Trek writers.
 
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Yeah, I remember Mic Fleetwood too. He played a fish man the crew hated. We did not even see his true self he was just a fan that wanted to be there. Anyway, same with Iggy. No music though.

Also, little known fact when it comes to celebrities both Eddie Murphy and Tom hanks wanted to be in a film and episodes, but they were turned down for some strange reason. I mean those are really big guns.

One of the big things Trek would do was avoid too much of pop culture references. You'll note that even going back in time we're seeing landmarks, and dealing with people, not anything specific.

JANEWAY: What will we need to pass as locals in this era?
PARIS: Simple. Nice clothes, fast car and lots of money.

Nothing about music. Music, for all of Trek's other fascinating comments on our future, simply isn't as important to the writers to speculate on. Possibly owing to the attempt with "Way to Eden" or simply a bias on the part of the producers. It's why we see random holodeck programs that reflect writer interests, or use of jazz, or driving, etc.

Rock music does not appear to be of interest to Trek writers.
Not Star Fleet anyway but just at FC Cohran said he could not start lift off without his fave rock music. The hippies giving two aliens, Kira and Odo, had rock music blaring from their van as they gave them a flower and they were looking confused as of course they would. And Spock took down that Punk, lol. It seems more like they did not want Star Freeters to be into it but would refence it. Only briefly with Paris, though. And finally in Kelvin Kirk listened to Beatie Boys. That is the only thing I like of the reboot. Anyway, I am more focused on the OG verse. And it was not 50/60s like the default. Could be the TNG, Voyager and DS9 were created and written by Boomers well TNG was created by Roddenberry, but all the writers were Boomers even before his death. Anyway, I would love to see some rock music of the future from earth and alien versions or close to it. They also said TV died out in the first season of TNG. Snobbery? But then I would not mind if today's TV would die out at times. ;)

Also, funny is that TNG itself is a TV show itself.

Anyway, Obrien getting Bashir drunk. This has been going way off topic.

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One of the big things Trek would do was avoid too much of pop culture references. You'll note that even going back in time we're seeing landmarks, and dealing with people, not anything specific.

JANEWAY: What will we need to pass as locals in this era?
PARIS: Simple. Nice clothes, fast car and lots of money.

Nothing about music. Music, for all of Trek's other fascinating comments on our future, simply isn't as important to the writers to speculate on. Possibly owing to the attempt with "Way to Eden" or simply a bias on the part of the producers. It's why we see random holodeck programs that reflect writer interests, or use of jazz, or driving, etc.

Rock music does not appear to be of interest to Trek writers.
Sometimes I get the impression that they don't like rock music and the culture surrounding it.

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Iggy Pop's appearance in DS) is one of the high spots in this fantastic series.
Not to mention that the whole episode was great.

A bunch of Ferengis with Quark in charge as heroes, Iggy, Keevan! What more can you ask for? :techman:
 
Sometimes I get the impression that they don't like rock music and the culture surrounding it.
Not every music style is for everyone. Also, Trek likes to present an air of intellectual elitism and I think rock music is considered outside of that idea.
 
Thought experiment: what would happen if Shake It Off by Taylor Swift played in an episode of SNW? How would audiences react?
 
Not every music style is for everyone. Also, Trek likes to present an air of intellectual elitism and I think rock music is considered outside of that idea.

Which is a rather snobby attitude if it is that way.

Thought experiment: what would happen if Shake It Off by Taylor Swift played in an episode of SNW? How would audiences react?

I would probably puke.
I don't like that kind of lightweight pop music.
Taylor Swift has nothing to do with rock.

Rock can be fun....
But METAL needs to be there too.

Metal is rock!
 
That's Star Trek.
In that case something that I don't like about Star Trek.

I guess there's a looooong discussion or argument that can be had about that and different genres....
But I don't think metal is rock, they're different. =)

Metal is actually a branch of the rock tree.

Metal has developed from hard rock bands such as Deep Purple and Black Sabbath and also from earlier heavy rock bands like Yardbirds, Cream, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix Experience and similar bands from that era.

Black Sabbath, who often are considered as the first real "heavy metal" band started their career by playing Cream covers. The solo in Iron man is definitely inspired by Eric Clapton who played guitar in Cream.

Taylor Swift on the other hand has nothing to do with rock. Her music has developed from lightweight pop, disco and synth pop music.
 
In that case something that I don't like about Star Trek.



Metal is actually a branch of the rock tree.

Metal has developed from hard rock bands such as Deep Purple and Black Sabbath and also from earlier heavy rock bands like Yardbirds, Cream, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix Experience and similar bands from that era.

Black Sabbath, who often are considered as the first real "heavy metal" band started their career by playing Cream covers. The solo in Iron man is definitely inspired by Eric Clapton who played guitar in Cream.

Taylor Swift on the other hand has nothing to do with rock. Her music has developed from lightweight pop, disco and synth pop music.
I agree with most of this but with Taylor there is the genre pop rock, whether it's really rock or not. Anyway, I'm not a swifty.
 
Metal is actually a branch of the rock tree.

Metal has developed from hard rock bands such as Deep Purple and Black Sabbath and also from earlier heavy rock bands like Yardbirds, Cream, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix Experience and similar bands from that era.
It's hard to draw a line, when does certain genre begin exactly.
What was first music, when somebody hit two sticks together few times very long ago?
What is music anyway? =)
Fortunately everyone is free to label music and many other things as they wish.
And then there are bands like Children of Bodom, nobody seems to agree what genre that band exactly was.... I'd put it in genre "good". =)
 
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