Garak Question
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I think by time the Dominion War started Garak was consider their trustable allie on the station. Where was he going to go? Dukat and Damar (at the time) wanted Garak dead. He still couldn't go back Cardassia under the new Dominion puppet government. I guess they were looking for every able trustworthy man on the station. He was on the top of list to lend a helping hand. He gains their trust through some battles during the war.
The words "trustworthy" and "Garak" really don't go together
but as Sisco once said "Desperate Times Breed Desperate Measures"
Exactly
but on the other hand, Garak and.... erm "resourceful" go well together. 
He was checking his Facebook. Though by that point nearly everyone on Cardassia had unfriended him.
LOL!!
Also during that fight I thought what was a silly comment Garak made which seemed to be a little out of character was he asked the crew something on the lines of is this not a good time to cloak?
Remember that Garak had been a very successful member of the Cardassian Union's Intelligence Agency for years before his exile (and he still knew a great deal about Cardassian tactics and their intelligence techniques - even under the Dominion). It made sense to have him on the bridge as an advisor for such a major offensive.
Garak requested to join the Defiant crew since he knew Dukat would kill him when the Dominion first took DS9. In essence, he asked Sisko for refuge and Sisko accepted.
Also, Garak was a complex character. I don't think Garak was an evil character at all, even if he used to lie a lot, or be devious sometimes. He realised that the Federation could help him, and he could help the Federation, especially since the Federation's enemies in the war were (in part) the Cardassians.
Also, Garak was a complex character. I don't think Garak was an evil character at all, even if he used to lie a lot, or be devious sometimes. He realised that the Federation could help him, and he could help the Federation, especially since the Federation's enemies in the war were (in part) the Cardassians.
I always thought if there were a direct spin-off of DS9 it would involve the post war occupation of Cardassia. I also see a Bajoran (recent member of the Federation) and Federation joint opperation to stablize and rebuild Cardassia. Somewhere with in that opperation Garak would definately play a role. I don't see him as a leader of Cardassia but definately a power player in the new Cardassia.
Garak was a good guy. But sometimes he had to do evil and not good things to advance his agenda. Garak is from the street, so to speak, and knows how Cardassians are. DS9 really has only had to deal with Gul Dukat and Dumar, Dukat was a bit thug and Damar was a wavering drunk. Dealing with those two idiots is not like dealing with all of Central Command.
I live in China with a Chinese wife. Granted, Chinese people do things much different than I would do it, or how many cultures would do something. However, it works for them. We foreigners do not understand it, nor do we really need to.
Garak was there to teach the Federation that the Cardassians do things one way, and he knows how things are accomplished. Since he was on the station, this means he is an enemy of the government back home. Garak does not want to be on DS9, but there he is. He wants to go home and change things. However, he doesn't really mind who he hurts as long as he gets shit done. Again, to use the word, however, Garak has made friendships and relationships on the station and he knows to
overthrow the present situation, he has no one to turn to but Starfleet.
Would Garak turned the tables if he was in a position of power. Sure he would. He wants to go home. But because of the powers that be on Cardassia Prime and the relationship with his father, where else was he going to turn?
I live in China with a Chinese wife. Granted, Chinese people do things much different than I would do it, or how many cultures would do something. However, it works for them. We foreigners do not understand it, nor do we really need to.
Garak was there to teach the Federation that the Cardassians do things one way, and he knows how things are accomplished. Since he was on the station, this means he is an enemy of the government back home. Garak does not want to be on DS9, but there he is. He wants to go home and change things. However, he doesn't really mind who he hurts as long as he gets shit done. Again, to use the word, however, Garak has made friendships and relationships on the station and he knows to
overthrow the present situation, he has no one to turn to but Starfleet.
Would Garak turned the tables if he was in a position of power. Sure he would. He wants to go home. But because of the powers that be on Cardassia Prime and the relationship with his father, where else was he going to turn?
The words "trustworthy" and "Garak" really don't go together
I think Sisko trusted that he understood precisely the way in which Garak was untrustworthy. Which made him trustworthy enough to be useful. Or something like that.
He'd have a position of power pretty quickly, but nobody would need to give him that power - he would know how to get it, and with his Fed friends, it would be all that much easier.
I can't see Garak wanting a public position of power, though. He might not resurrect the Obsidian Order, but he would see the need for an organization along those lines, with himself at the head.
In post-war Cardassia, Dukat would be excoriated as the worst traitor in Cardassian history. Garak must love the heck outta that!
And wouldn't mind too much seeing the deluded way in which Cardassians would be elevating Damar to hero status. Garak would know that Damar was simply Dukat's creation and appreciate the irony.
Access to LCARS can be controlled on an individual basis. Garak's job was codebuster. His proximity ID would be read by LCARS and his access rights would be logged. If he were to attempt a command that he wasn't cleared for, the voice would tell him he didn't have clearance. But mainly, when he steps up to a station, his task list will come up, and with a touch he can choose a task, usually an undecoded transmission, then start decoding.
A good guy? I wouldn't go that far but I would say he was a particular shade of gray that could be counted on provided you watched your back. Also, Garak isn't your "street" kind of guy. He was the son of Enabran Tain (head of the Obsidian Order) which is the equivilent of being the son of the CIA or NSA director.
Thats not to say Garak didn't earn his position within The Order but he definately had an advantage that other Cardassian's didn't have. Also I never saw Dukat as a thug but a loyal and hard working officer or Gul in this case who's own sense of self (IE big fraking ego) got in the way. Finally, Dumar wasn't an idiot either but rather someone who just wanted the good job but got caught up in the moment.
In the end Dumar did what most Cardassian's didn't have the guts to do, he stood up to those hurting his people and he got killed because of it. Thats what I loved about DS9, most characters were not one dimensional. You can't simply label these guys as one note characters and be done with it.
Are you by any chance Una McCormack? (Author of Worlds of Deep Space Nine: Cardassia) That's pretty much the premise for her novella!
lol, no but when DS9 ended I thought that if there were a spin-off of DS9 that was the next logical step. In fact I'v posted that premis a few times on this message board and I always got shot down (not harshly mind you) and I have to admit that I'm not well versed in Star Trek litterature. But at any rate it's nice to know that my imagination is on par with excellent writers.
I call shenanigans! Maybe Una McCormack is a member and liked your idea!!!
((Necessary legal disclaimer: I am in no way trying to insinuate that Ms. McCormack has stolen any ideas... and enjoyed her book. ))
((Necessary legal disclaimer: I am in no way trying to insinuate that Ms. McCormack has stolen any ideas... and enjoyed her book.
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I call shenanigans! Maybe Una McCormack is a member and liked your idea!!!
((Necessary legal disclaimer: I am in no way trying to insinuate that Ms. McCormack has stolen any ideas... and enjoyed her book.
I'm an aspiring yet very lazy writer and I'm glad that someone had the same idea because what happens post Dominion War has great potential. Also, slightly off-topic but after the third "American Pie" movie I thought the next logical step for a fourth movie would have been a riff on "Three Men & A Baby" and sadley they made a few shity direct to DVD sequels but I digress.
Actually, I'm going to check out that novella that you reference. Sounds like its right up my alley and I want to expand "my" premis a little further. In my idea of the spin-off I saw that the Federation builds an outpost on Cardassia it's self to administer the rebuilding effort. In addition to rebuilding or stablizing Cardassia The Federation has to deal with the Klingon occupation forces.
A series like this could have had enormous potential and could have taken advantage of a post WWII theme in the same way that DS9 used a western motif or as Michael Pillar said "Rifleman In Space" and in addition we would get to know the Cardassians much better. Finally, who would argue with see more of Andrew J. Robinson, lol.
You may also want to check out "A Stitch in Time" by Andrew Robinson and "The Never-Ending Sacrafice" by Una McCormack. Both also heavily deal with post-war Cardassia. Though all three are part of the DS9 relaunch, you can easily read them without having read the other Relaunch novels.I call shenanigans! Maybe Una McCormack is a member and liked your idea!!!
((Necessary legal disclaimer: I am in no way trying to insinuate that Ms. McCormack has stolen any ideas... and enjoyed her book.
I'm an aspiring yet very lazy writer and I'm glad that someone had the same idea because what happens post Dominion War has great potential. Also, slightly off-topic but after the third "American Pie" movie I thought the next logical step for a fourth movie would have been a riff on "Three Men & A Baby" and sadley they made a few shity direct to DVD sequels but I digress.
Actually, I'm going to check out that novella that you reference. Sounds like its right up my alley and I want to expand "my" premis a little further. In my idea of the spin-off I saw that the Federation builds an outpost on Cardassia it's self to administer the rebuilding effort. In addition to rebuilding or stablizing Cardassia The Federation has to deal with the Klingon occupation forces.
A series like this could have had enormous potential and could have taken advantage of a post WWII theme in the same way that DS9 used a western motif or as Michael Pillar said "Rifleman In Space" and in addition we would get to know the Cardassians much better. Finally, who would argue with see more of Andrew J. Robinson, lol.
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