Spoilers Game of Thrones: The Final Season

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  1. Charles Phipps

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    This is me making a joke but I don't think the Seven Kingdoms Wexiting is a good solution for anyone's economic or societal wellbeing.
     
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  2. JirinPanthosa

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    Dornexit? Iron Islexit? Noexit? Eyrexit?

    Actually, what are the other two? One of those things that's absolutely clear if you read the books, I'm assuming.

    Edit: Looked it up. Yeah, wow, the show is REALLY unclear what the seven kingdoms are, I didn't know Castly Rock, Storm's End and Highgarden were all capitals of their own kingdoms.
     
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  3. eschaton

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    The Seven Kingdoms are The North, The Vale, The Riverlands, The Westerlands, The Stormlands, The Reach, and Dorne.

    The Crownlands around Kings Landing are not considered a kingdom. The lands were annexed following the Targaryen invasion from parts of The Stormlands and The Riverlands.

    The Iron Islands are also not one of the seven kingdoms, because at the time of conquest it was briefly under control of The Riverlands. Traditionally, it is a vassal kingdom which pledged fealty to the Targaryens.
     
  4. Romulan_spy

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    I hope this does not happen. But is it possible that Daenerys actually wins the Iron Throne but has to basically kill everyone to do it? So she rules on the Iron Throne but over an utterly decimated population of weak survivors.
     
  5. Spider

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    I think they've set up Dani to die in the finale. What happens after that I can't guess, the writers have certainly thrown me for a loop. But whatever, it's been a great ride!
     
  6. The Nth Doctor

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    So...apparently there's a theory floating around that Jaime is still alive. The weird part is that theory appears to be based solely on social media activity and press releases, i.e. the lack of public farewells to and from Nikolaj Coster-Waldau (whereas as other cast members whose characters are dead have gotten and said such farewells).

    This is slightly supported by the Entertainment Weekly article I shared at the beginning of the thread where the author was shocked to see certain characters in the finale.
     
  7. eschaton

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    Given Jamie was holding Cersei, it would be absolutely insane if a cave-in killed her and he survived.

    Even more importantly though, surviving a cave-in like that is awful, because it means you're going to slowly die of thirst or lack of oxygen in total darkness, unable to move. Certainly no one is going to dig through rubble to look for him when they have no idea where he is. Which means by some insane coincidence all the rocks would have to miss him and he'd be able to dig himself out one handed.
     
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  8. The Nth Doctor

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    I didn't say it was a sensible theory. Just one that's floating around, bizarrely held up by non-series evidence. :lol:
     
  9. Romulan_spy

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    And let's not forget that Greyjoy stabbed Jaime in their fight on the beach. So Jaime was already gravely wounded before the cave in.
     
  10. 137th Gebirg

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    I hope it won't be one of those tired old TV tropes, "if there's no body, they're still alive" and have him pop up at the last minute to take Dany out, making him a "Queenslayer".
     
  11. SJGardner

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    He'll become an accidental Queenslayer when Daenerys is wandering around the ruins of the Red Keep, trips over his golden hand sticking out of the rubble and falls head first onto a jagged piece of stone, dying instantly.
     
  12. Reverend

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    Well it certainly wouldn't be the only nonsensical turn this season has taken...
     
  13. eschaton

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    What about if Euron inexplicably survived too, and finds Jamie in the rubble? Because he really, really wants to be the one to kill Jamie, rather than falling rock, he digs Jamie out, attempts to fight him again, and gets killed for real.
     
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  14. Thestral

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    Other way around actually. House Hoare of the Iron Islands had extended Ironborn rule over the Riverlands and became Kings of the Islands and Rivers 3 generations before the Conquest. King Harren the Black (of Harrenhall fame) was the last ruler of House Hoare; House Tully helped the Targaryans conquer the Riverlands hence their elevation.
     
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  15. JirinPanthosa

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    One thing we haven’t considered is that Dany actually feels bad after the fight is over and kills herself.

    There’s some other bitter possibilities too. I imagine Dany talking herself out of killing Tyrion, discharging him as her hand and saying “You are the last surviving Lannister, that makes you Lord of Castly Rock. Goodbye.” Then after s valiant fight for Jon to oust Dany, he dies and Sansa chooses to finally bend the knee in desperation not to get Winterfell burned. So Dany becomes a ruler by fear, alone, wracked by guilt for the rest of her days. And Tyrion starts drinking and whoring again, defeated in his seat of ancestral power.

    Come to think of it, even after betrayal Dany may think sending him back to Castly Rock is a good idea, knowing he will never do anything that would risk the lives of more innocent people. One less kingdom to worry about rebelling.
     
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  16. Mr Awe

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    I hope that's not the case. Jamie's/Cersei's ending was fitting as it was. There was a theory that Arya would wear Jaime's face. Under that theory, they'd certainly use Nikolaj Coster-Waldau even though the character was dead. However, the theory was trying to explain how Arya could kill Cersei. So, I think that's out the window. She wouldn't use his face to kill Dany!

    Hopefully it's just jumping to conclusions!

    I could see how through visions and flashbacks (maybe newly filmed flashbacks) there would be surprises at who appears in the finale without meaning Jamie is back from the dead!
     
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  17. Cyrus

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    It has been a fantastic ride. But there has been a lot of nitpicking lately as some people seem disappointed that events haven’t gone as they expected, in a show that became famous for doing the unexpected things.

    This articles says it better than I can:
    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...on-of-game-of-thrones-is-miraculous-the-bells
     
  18. Nightdiamond

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    Daenerys is practically Michael Corleone. It's almost out of Godfather II.

    I wondered if she would end up doing something that would involve losing her soul at the end. She officially crossed into evil territory. If she tries to rationalize it in the finale, it's going to make her look twice as evil. Not even crazy, just evil.


    Ultimately, I think the episode did a pretty good job. Like it or hate it people were shocked. People knew or suspected she might go mad but I bet they didn't expect anything like this was going to happen.

    All these weird theories too. They're popping up one after another. The latest one says Bran is actually evil :lol:
     
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  19. Cyrus

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    It would be great if we see Sean Bean play Ned again. Any character can appear in the finale if Bran decides to visit the past.
     
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  20. Professor Zoom

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    Great, more of Bran seeing things... that's... *sigh* exciting.
    Does the 3 Eyed Crow do anything other than tell people, "You were meant to be here at this moment in time"?