So I guess then need one more priestess to go with another dragon and another choose one of the Lord of Light.
Game Of Thrones Season 6 Discussion (Spoilers)
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So was it obsidian that the Children used to create the very first White Walker?
Was that the Night King or does he come along later?
If the White Walkers were created to fight a war against the humans, maybe they're still following their original programming but the message got twisted into kill ALL humans, and kill the Children as well if they try to stop you.
EDIT: Wikipedia tells me yes, the Night King is the original, and yes, he was created with a dragonglass dagger.
Was that the Night King or does he come along later?
If the White Walkers were created to fight a war against the humans, maybe they're still following their original programming but the message got twisted into kill ALL humans, and kill the Children as well if they try to stop you.
EDIT: Wikipedia tells me yes, the Night King is the original, and yes, he was created with a dragonglass dagger.
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Just moments earlier the Three Eyed Raven did say, "It is time for you to become me." So my interpretation was that the Three Eyed Raven did a last minute power dump to Bran. And Bran, being totally untrained and unused to the new powers, accidentally used those powers on Hodor in the past.
Willis looked right at Bran. It sure seemed like Bran did influence the past, but time travel in this universe plays by Lost rules so he can't change anything.
Oh, good theory. I really like that one. Yeah, I guess I could see it being the case. Could also be unaware of what exactly he was doing.
It seemed that warging into present-Hodor while in the vision with past-Hodor allowed past-Hodor to see Bran. Eye contact established a link and allowed Hodor to experience exactly what his future self was experiencing. Including all of the stabbing. This understandably broke his mind.
But damn. I watched this hours ago and am still tearing up thinking about it.
But damn. I watched this hours ago and am still tearing up thinking about it.
My take on this whole thing was, she trusts Jon, but not the several other people sitting around the table when they were talking about. Other than Brienne, she doesn't know any of them from Azor-Ahai and after all she's been through in the past few years, I don't think anyone could begrudge her of some trust issues.
And my take was that Littlefinger successfully put a tiny, nagging doubt in the back of Sansa's mind that Jon can be fully trusted. He's the military figure, the former Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, who came back from the dead. If he unites the North and defeats the Boltons, what's to stop him from declaring HIMSELF the Lord of Winterfell? Which Sansa sees as hers by right.
Remember the sly little crack about Sansa needing an army of her own? Baelish is poisoning Sansa against Jon, and setting himself up as a potential ally should she need it. Sansa lied about where she got the information from because she doesn't want Jon to know WHY she's really looking to recruit the Tully soldiers. She wants them to support her claim to Winterfell AGAINST JON. She's become Littlefinger's proper apprentice, moving pieces for her own agenda. And all the while playing right into Littlefinger's hands. (To wit, he offers support from the Vale to oust Jon, on condition of marriage. He gets Sansa in his bed, and he gets to be Warden of the North, or even King in the North, perfect setup to launch his bid for the Iron Throne.)
Sansa pretty much told Littlefinger to go **** himself, so I doubt she's behaving the way she is out of mistrust for Jon or because Littlefinger put doubts in her head.
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I think Sansa knows how slimey Littlefinger is. If she told Jon about Littlefinger having the knights of the Vale at Moat Calin, Jon would certainly make that alliance, and Littlefinger would begin his schemes to try to entrap and control Jon. Sansa wants to with the North with loyal families and her own blood, Jon and her uncle the Blackfish.
Whatever trust or affection that Sansa may have had for Littlefinger went kaput the moment Ramsay forced himself on her; she makes that pretty clear when she says that he's either an idiot or to blame for the crap that happened to her after he 'bartered' her to the Boltons.
You don't have to trust or like someone to think they might be right about something.
I don't think Sansa gives any thought to a rightful claim. I think she's tired of being hurt. And she wants to make sure she isn't victimized again. That means having the power for herself.
It's no accident that it's her one loyal retainer who has been sent to recruit the Blackfish. He isn't joining Jon's army, he's becoming Sansa's.
Sure, we'd all like to see the Stark children ride to victory and reclaim their home. The good guys get a win and everyone's happy. But Sansa was legit sinister in this last episode. And the Bastard of Winterfell had better watch his back. That goes for both of them.
I don't think Sansa gives any thought to a rightful claim. I think she's tired of being hurt. And she wants to make sure she isn't victimized again. That means having the power for herself.
It's no accident that it's her one loyal retainer who has been sent to recruit the Blackfish. He isn't joining Jon's army, he's becoming Sansa's.
Sure, we'd all like to see the Stark children ride to victory and reclaim their home. The good guys get a win and everyone's happy. But Sansa was legit sinister in this last episode. And the Bastard of Winterfell had better watch his back. That goes for both of them.
Actually this (for the time being) is a big departure from the current written myth of the Night King as found in the books and The World of Ice and Fire book companion (co-authored by GRRM). Then again, how that human ended up under the tree with Leaf to be turned into the NK could still be up for debate and interpretation. But currently, the mythology of the genesis of the NK has deeper connections to the world of men and parallels to the ongoing story being played out at the Wall.
From recent events in the show it appears a more streamlined Others/NK creation appears to be in play. Though we have only seen a fragment of their timeline/evolution in the show, so it can become more complex or book tied if D&D wanted.
And the more I think about the "Kill All Humans" programming removes any emotional element of complexity to The Others motivations. If they are still following broken "code" then where's the investment in them as villains,? They are then nothing more than cyphers and a "rallying point" for the rest of the world to have their "Big Damn Hero" moment. Even with Sauron's or The Borg's general representation on TV/Film there was a rationale and ideology to their machinations. If this is the sole drive for The Others then count me disappointed. I hope more is to come and their plans richer than this.
Hugo - Thinkgs, given the way the books have been played by Martin, I believe the real villain has yet to blossom
Sansa stitched a piece of clothing for Jon. Remember back in Season 1? Sansa hated
Speaking of the sweater, I'm brought back to the very first few episodes of season 1. Was Sansa the one who hated to stitch?
Speaking of the sweater, I'm brought back to the very first few episodes of season 1. Was Sansa the one who hated to stitch?
No, that was Arya, as part of her rebellious, tomboy nature. Not only did Sansa love it, she was very good at it.
Sansa trusts Jon, she doesn't trust his judgment. And she didn't tell him for the same reason Bran didn't let Jon see him, Jon will protect her by driving off Baelish who she thinks she can use. Sansa sent off her loyal bodyguard and keeps secrets from Jon because she's trying to cut off her training wheels and be an independent warlord (Which Baelish keenly recognized.). Did her uncle really retake Riverrun? I'm really skeptical.
Did the walkers ever seem to have legitimate emotional motivations? They're intelligent undead, no soul. I don't think it's a matter of broken code, I think they created a monster they couldn't control.
There's enough emotionally motivated villains in the show that one group of emotionless monsters don't make the show less exciting.
Did the walkers ever seem to have legitimate emotional motivations? They're intelligent undead, no soul. I don't think it's a matter of broken code, I think they created a monster they couldn't control.
There's enough emotionally motivated villains in the show that one group of emotionless monsters don't make the show less exciting.
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