And there's one big one that a lot of other people keep missing: Very few people now think she's what's going to resurrect him.
Game Of Thrones Season 6 Discussion (Spoilers)
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^ Not that I've seen.
Not that I've seen.
Circumstances really don't line up with the idea of Jon being resurrected BY ANYBODY (Melisandre or otherwise), what with the following considerations in play beyond just Melisandre having lost all of her faith and confidence:
1) It's been, at most, a few hours since Jon was assassinated, but his friends are going to find themselves having to do something with his body beyond just holding on to it before Thorne's deadline arrives
2) Edd isn't likely to make it back to Castle Black before Thorne's deadline comes and goes
3) If Jon's friends have to surrender and trust that Throne won't try to kill them and instead actually allow them to leave, they can't take Jon's body with them without risking him being turned into a Wight (at least as far as I understand it)
At this point, there's literally only one way, based on what we've seen, for Jon to come back: the Brotherhood without Banners suddenly and inexplicably shows up at the Wall to "save the day", and I really don't see that happening.
Not that I've seen.
Circumstances really don't line up with the idea of Jon being resurrected BY ANYBODY (Melisandre or otherwise), what with the following considerations in play beyond just Melisandre having lost all of her faith and confidence:
1) It's been, at most, a few hours since Jon was assassinated, but his friends are going to find themselves having to do something with his body beyond just holding on to it before Thorne's deadline arrives
2) Edd isn't likely to make it back to Castle Black before Thorne's deadline comes and goes
3) If Jon's friends have to surrender and trust that Throne won't try to kill them and instead actually allow them to leave, they can't take Jon's body with them without risking him being turned into a Wight (at least as far as I understand it)
At this point, there's literally only one way, based on what we've seen, for Jon to come back: the Brotherhood without Banners suddenly and inexplicably shows up at the Wall to "save the day", and I really don't see that happening.
??? Was I somehow unclear in my post?
Very few people (still) think Melisandre is going to be the reason Jon Snow is resurrected. The most current popular theory from what I've seen is that it's going to be his funeral pyre itself that does it, courtesy of his Targaryean blood. That his ressurection will be physical, whereas Daenerys's resurrection in fire was spiritual.
Very few people (still) think Melisandre is going to be the reason Jon Snow is resurrected. The most current popular theory from what I've seen is that it's going to be his funeral pyre itself that does it, courtesy of his Targaryean blood. That his ressurection will be physical, whereas Daenerys's resurrection in fire was spiritual.
Interesting theory. I wonder if it'll come to pass.
She survived unburnt as well.
I don't know why Melisandre looked so miffed. She looked like she was having such a good time laughing at Jack Torrance in the Overlook hotel.
Well, you are seeing the Starks go from the least powerful house--to the most powerful. All but Sansa will have supernatural abilities coming out the other side of all this.
I see Melisandre giving Snow her necklace. Perhaps that and the pyre both do the trick. Blood magick of some kind.
I seem to remember a teaster scene with Snow standing near the Night's King. We may hear him speak to dead Snow in some type of vision--almost like that scene in Freddy vs Jason (a guilty pleasure) where one of Freddies victims is snatched away from the dreamstate by the other killer's attack. Like Freddy, I expect the Night's King to not take the situation very well. He gets Melisandre in the end. Just my guess--I haven't read ahead.
I don't know why Melisandre looked so miffed. She looked like she was having such a good time laughing at Jack Torrance in the Overlook hotel.
Well, you are seeing the Starks go from the least powerful house--to the most powerful. All but Sansa will have supernatural abilities coming out the other side of all this.
I see Melisandre giving Snow her necklace. Perhaps that and the pyre both do the trick. Blood magick of some kind.
I seem to remember a teaster scene with Snow standing near the Night's King. We may hear him speak to dead Snow in some type of vision--almost like that scene in Freddy vs Jason (a guilty pleasure) where one of Freddies victims is snatched away from the dreamstate by the other killer's attack. Like Freddy, I expect the Night's King to not take the situation very well. He gets Melisandre in the end. Just my guess--I haven't read ahead.
I was watching some vids on YouTube, and in an earlier episode we saw Melisandre in a bath without her necklace on, yet still young looking. Something to think about
That was Bran
You're seeing theories that I haven't then, but said theories don't make any more sense than the Melisandre one does.
Which is incredible. I wonder how much blood magic protects?
If you recall that scene with Thoros, he said he completely lost his faith and he recited the words purely mechanically when Beric died.
Melisandre is at a similar low point right now...
Melisandre looked like she wanted to commit suicide in her sleep. That's how far her faith and confidence have plummeted.
That's not something you recover from after only one night's worth of sleep (especially when it's going to be real close to Thorne's deadline when she wakes up).
That's not something you recover from after only one night's worth of sleep (especially when it's going to be real close to Thorne's deadline when she wakes up).
That's kind of the point of the post immediately before yours. When Beric was raised by Thoros the first time, he wasn't really trying to do it, in the sense that he knew it would work. He rather expected it NOT to, as his faith was largely broken with Beric's death, and yet it was that LACK of faith that was rewarded with new life. Mel finds herself in a similar situation. Perhaps, suitably desperate for any kind of positive, she reaches for something she doesn't actually think can or will work.
In terms of set up, especially from some of the prophecy stuff that wasn't in the show, but in the books, John's resurrection seems likely. But I wouldn't put it past Martin, or the producers here, to have that be precisely the reason he stays dead. Undercut our expectations that the hero will somehow escape his grisly fate, and all that. In fact, in the world that's been built up here, I think I'll be more surprised if they actually do bring him back. He's not morally gray enough for things to go his way, and good things don't happen to good people in Westeros.
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Melisandre taking a "leap of faith" the way that you're talking about requires her to actually have SOME faith left to exercise, and she doesn't at this point.
Does Thorne, et. al's assassination of Jon Snow actually make sense to anybody? Sure, they were pissed that Jon saved the surviving Wildlings and brought them back through the gates after what had just happened at the end of S4 (and had been going on between the two sides for centuries) but why did the conspirators wait until AFTER Jon returned from Hardhome and the Wildlings had ALREADY been brought back through the gates? It seems like it would have made more sense for them to strike before he even left or, for that matter, refuse to let Jon and the Wildlings through the gate when they returned and left them to freeze on the north side of the wall? From a logical standpoint, Thorne's justification for the assassination rings seriously hollow. What "terrible choice" did Jon's actions thrust upon the conspirators? They didn't stop to think that the Wildlings might get pissed that they killed Jon- the only Crow they trusted- when they find out what has happened?
It probably took some time for Thorne to gather enough people for the assassination. If they were too few, Snow loyalists would have executed them.
Well, that DOES make some sense- but, from a logistical point of view, it seems like more like it was really more retribution/revenge rather than trying to prevent what Jon was going to do from happening. From what I have heard about how it happens in the book, it sounds like the conspirators didn't take too long to organize the assassination. However, of course, the rationale/reasoning in the book was apparently different in the books from the show. I just hope that the conspirators get their comeuppance (and that Jon comes back somehow- which I believe will ultimately happen).
Thanks to my new HBO NOW account, I'm re-watching the series from the start. The pilot is fascinating; all the characters are at the same location and actually interact with each other! So novel! It's like a brand new show for me because watching the first three seasons or so, I didn't know anything about it and only followed the story in a general sense.
Damn, son! That last scene was intense. Wasn't sure what they were going to do. I mean, I knew Jon Snow would be back one way or another, but I thought they would tease it for longer.
In fact lots of stuff happened really quickly in this episode. Castle Black standoff resolved much faster than I would have thought, and perhaps a little too easily. Although that might change. And Ramsay killing Roose! I was hoping a Stark would get sweet revenge on that bastard.
And the Ironborn stuff, but I'm more bored with that in the show than even in the books.
In fact lots of stuff happened really quickly in this episode. Castle Black standoff resolved much faster than I would have thought, and perhaps a little too easily. Although that might change. And Ramsay killing Roose! I was hoping a Stark would get sweet revenge on that bastard.
And the Ironborn stuff, but I'm more bored with that in the show than even in the books.
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