Game Of Thrones Season 6 Discussion (Spoilers)
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The reveal likely has some meaning beyond gratuitous wrinkly nudity. Isn't the crone one of the seven gods?
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/The_Crone
So, is she an avatar perhaps? Has she lost her lantern mojo?
Otherwise, this Aimee Mann song sums up the episode for me.
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/The_Crone
So, is she an avatar perhaps? Has she lost her lantern mojo?
Otherwise, this Aimee Mann song sums up the episode for me.
In the books and show (although less so in the latter) it has been alluded to that Mels is a lot older than she lets on. The necklace is said to be apart of her Glamour. A type of illusion/spell that hides her true appearance. Vampires are known to glamour their victims too. It's what makes them so alluring.
While we have seen Mels without the necklace in the show before, the only person who saw her that was was Selyse Baratheon. The scene in question could be interpreted different ways now. Which version of Mels did Selyse see? The smokin hot red head with the perky breasts, or the old woman with the thinning hair? Selyse was acting kind of weird (granted she is kind of an odd bird to begin with) when she was in the chamber with Mels. Also remember that Selyse, unlike Stannis, is a devote believer in the Lord of Light. Perhaps the spell doesn't work on her.
While we have seen Mels without the necklace in the show before, the only person who saw her that was was Selyse Baratheon. The scene in question could be interpreted different ways now. Which version of Mels did Selyse see? The smokin hot red head with the perky breasts, or the old woman with the thinning hair? Selyse was acting kind of weird (granted she is kind of an odd bird to begin with) when she was in the chamber with Mels. Also remember that Selyse, unlike Stannis, is a devote believer in the Lord of Light. Perhaps the spell doesn't work on her.
I'm personally inclined to believe that the instance where Melisandre was bathing sans necklace is a case of "what the audience sees is not what the character(s) see(s)".
Melisandre is definitely an old woman glamouring herself so she appears young, though.
Melisandre is definitely an old woman glamouring herself so she appears young, though.
Melisandre's transformation certainly caught me off guard, but it shouldn't have as in the novels especially she uses glamours on more than one occasion. I am wondering though about her expression at the end. Does she really feel defeat, or does she feel confused over how she has misinterpreted her visions?
Do we know anything about what happened to Drogo? I thought Dany's one scene to be unsatisfying to say the least. I hope that her story moves forward a little more quickly this season and it is not about a year of her locked up with the group of widows. In fact, that sentiment goes for all of the stories. If the showrunners really only expect two more (possibly shortened) seasons then we need to start seeing all of the plot threads move forward a little more quickly, don't we?
Do we know anything about what happened to Drogo? I thought Dany's one scene to be unsatisfying to say the least. I hope that her story moves forward a little more quickly this season and it is not about a year of her locked up with the group of widows. In fact, that sentiment goes for all of the stories. If the showrunners really only expect two more (possibly shortened) seasons then we need to start seeing all of the plot threads move forward a little more quickly, don't we?
I like Sansa. And methinks she is now getting to be in the place where she's been headed for a long time--Lady Stark of Winterfell.
But here's an unpopular thought. What if Jon Snow stays dead? What if all this talk of him coming back, all this panic about prophecies and the Chosen One is just...set up? Set up for ordinary people stepping up to the plate and choosing themselves?
But here's an unpopular thought. What if Jon Snow stays dead? What if all this talk of him coming back, all this panic about prophecies and the Chosen One is just...set up? Set up for ordinary people stepping up to the plate and choosing themselves?
I was also a bit surprised that the Dothraki just believed her when she said she was Drogo's widow, it's not like she has a lot of evidence beyond being able to speak Dothraki!
But yeah, things have to start moving a bit quicker. The honest trailer for GoT (which I think was up to season 4/5 at the time) summed it up best when they say something like; "This is Daenerys Targaryen. She's out for revenge, she's out to reclaim her throne...eventually...one of these days...there's no rush." Burning all her ships is just yet another contrivance to stop her setting sail for Westeros.
The White Walkers is the other plot that needs to get a move on. How are they not at the wall already? In fact how are they not through the wall and halfway to Winterfell already?
I still enjoyed the episode. I did actually cheer when Brienne turned up (even though it was really obvious she would) and the Melisandre reveal took me completely by surprise. I'm guessing now they'll focus more on a few stories in upcoming episodes now they've given us an update on everyone (well almost everyone)
She has a rather unique look for the region, and Drogo was kind of a big deal I'm sure tales of his wife reached many ears.
My bad, I was wondering about Drogon, the dragon--where was he?
As for believing Dany, I thought that happened a little too quickly as well.
I think Drogon is still injuried, so nursing his wing and mopping around?
Dany and Drogo/herd were all at that place they are taking her too. Isn't this were all dothraki go to? I'm sure people have heard of her and what she looks like.
Vaes Drothok is, essentially, the capital of Dothraki civilization, and so even if other khalisars had never seen Drogo's white-haired wife, they would've heard tales of her. Plus, Drogo himself was well-respected in Dothraki society, as evidenced by the fact that it's HIS name that impresses Moro and ensures Dany's safety, even if he won't take her back to Mereen, so I don't think it was unbelievable at all that as soon as Drogo's name was uttered, Dany would be accorded a small measure of respect.
I think the main purpose of the scene was to show us (or remind us for those who paid close attention in the past) that the gemstone in her necklace possessed quite a bit of magic. You know, the sort of gemstone that might look really nice in the pommel of a sword or something...
Her being revealed to be an old woman cloaked in an illusory glamour was just confirmation that she was, indeed, older than she appeared to be and that she very much actively wielded magic. Sure, her coochie demon made that pretty clear a few seasons ago, but for the most part she just seemed to be a big talker.
That, and I think it was an intentional misdirect in order to trick the audience into thinking she'll be personally responsible for reviving Jon Snow; to give that theory some actual meat, rather than it just being pure speculation. Instead, though, I think it'll be the final component to fully turn Longclaw into Lightbringer once Jon pulls it from the pyre and shows it still burning with whatever oils they used to set him ablaze.
They go up right around the time the episode begins to air on TV. Maybe a couple minutes later, but not more.
That's fine, it's just the immediate acceptance that she is who she says she is. I'd have expected the initial response to be something more along the lines of "Of course you are, love." Well phrased in a more Dothraki way but you get my point. Then I would have expected something else from her to confirm her ID.
It would have been believable if there had been someone there who actually knew her or who had crossed paths with Drogo's Khalasar (sp?) when Dany was with him to confirm her story. That said, I agree with the above poster that there are not too many people with her complexion and hair in their vicinity.
Perhaps knowing the name of Drogo's father is proof enough? I mean how many Dothraki speaking foreign women are likely to have that information?
No doubt Jon Snow will be up and about before long. I mean they haven't burned the body have they? Whether he'll still be himself or just a white walker puppet is another question.
Melisandre suddenly got a lot more interesting. Up until now I've found her to be a little two dimensional for my tastes. At least now we have some idea what's motivating her beyond pure greed and religious mania. She's an actual archetypal witch, right out of Grimm's Fairy Tales.
Nothing against the actor but I wish Mormont will get on with it and sacrifice himself for Dany. It's long past due at this point.
No doubt Jon Snow will be up and about before long. I mean they haven't burned the body have they? Whether he'll still be himself or just a white walker puppet is another question.
Melisandre suddenly got a lot more interesting. Up until now I've found her to be a little two dimensional for my tastes. At least now we have some idea what's motivating her beyond pure greed and religious mania. She's an actual archetypal witch, right out of Grimm's Fairy Tales.
Nothing against the actor but I wish Mormont will get on with it and sacrifice himself for Dany. It's long past due at this point.
There are two massive hurdles that people aren't taking into account or acknowledging when it comes to the notion of Melisandre resurrecting Jon:
1) She's completely lost all confidence in herself, and isn't likely to get it back anytime soon (especially not before Thorne's deadline of "nightfall" comes and goes)
2) She doesn't actually know HOW to resurrect people (see her surprise when Thoros did it for Beric)
1) She's completely lost all confidence in herself, and isn't likely to get it back anytime soon (especially not before Thorne's deadline of "nightfall" comes and goes)
2) She doesn't actually know HOW to resurrect people (see her surprise when Thoros did it for Beric)
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