Game Of Thrones Season 6 Discussion (Spoilers)
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Thought the opening episode was very poor, once again the only interesting stuff is happening North and the two most compelling characters from last season are dead (Jon + Stannis). I know we have to wait to see where they're going, but the Dorne stuff was once again nonsensical, balls to the wall retarded. What was with Trystane? Why were the two sand snakes on the boat? Not only were they waving them off at the end of season 5, but the voyage takes sometime. Not even going to mention how Doran and Areo goes out, once again an intelligent character in the books becomes a complete retard in the show.
I'm honestly bored with Daenerys as well, are we going to have an entire season of her doing nothing and being rescued again? Her story seems to be the same almost every season, at least last season she was trying to learn to rule and what happened to Drogon?
Positives is Davos is still great, Wall stuff is great and I'm sure Jon is going to get revived.
I'm honestly bored with Daenerys as well, are we going to have an entire season of her doing nothing and being rescued again? Her story seems to be the same almost every season, at least last season she was trying to learn to rule and what happened to Drogon?
Positives is Davos is still great, Wall stuff is great and I'm sure Jon is going to get revived.
A little underwhelming first episode. The only story thread from the last season finale that had a satisfying follow up was the Sansa/Theon one. Interesting ending with the Red Woman though. Not sure what it means.
Too bad about Bashir Martel. He was the only sensible and wise leader in Westros
Too bad about Bashir Martel. He was the only sensible and wise leader in Westros
So, a lot of setup, which is understandable if unsatisfying. I had hoped they would have resurrected Jon to end the first episode, but it looks like they're going to drag out the inevitable.
I'm confused on the whole Trystane thing as well. He departed on the same boat with Myrcella and Jaime and left all three Sand Snakes on the dock watching until the boat was well in the distance. Yet somehow two of them snuck on the boat to kill him. Did they catch up in a completely different boat without anyone noticing? Did the ship pull into port somewhere along the way and they rode there really fast to get there first and sneak aboard, then managed to hide out for the rest of the journey? That deserved some explanation in order to not look like a continuity error.
Also, Ramsay's hounds are amazing, with their ability to completely disappear the moment their handlers are attacked. I know it can't be a fear of depicting animal death given this show's history, but it was a little jarring that they just suddenly vanished from the scene without a sound or shot of them leaving. It also doesn't seem like they would just run off given their fierce nature, desire to hunt and feed, and combat experience. I think they'd stay and defend the handlers or attack someone to kill and eat them.
I groaned when I saw Daenarys' fleet burning and Tyrion said "She won't be sailing to Westeros anytime soon." Yeah, great, more time in Essos rehashing the same things over and over again. I wasn't expecting her to set sail overnight, but some hint at preparation for movement in a westerly direction before perhaps next season would be nice.
It was strange that they never filmed a scene with Stannis' body last season, like they were keeping their options open in case they wanted to bring him back even though his story was really over. The Bolton soldiers must have found his body, or else Roose would not be so sure of his death by sword. Not showing the killing blow will leave some people speculating that he might still be alive, I think, even though there wouldn't be much point.
Killing off Bashir so unceremoniously in the first episode felt like a waste of a good character. They could have at least made his downfall a bit of a struggle so as to make this Dorne stuff more interesting.
Am I supposed to feel bad that Ramsay lost his torture, rape, and murder BFF? I mean, the actor did a good job with his emotional farewell in the scene, but it was a weird scene to have, since the audience wouldn't feel anything for her and we already know he's going to try and hunt Sansa and Theon down and make them pay just because he's Ramsay and that's just the way Ramsay rolls.
At least Brienne and Pod's fight and joining up with Sansa and Theon (finally) was satisfying, though it seemed a little random as she had no reason to believe Sansa had made it out. Could have used a scene of her tracking the Bolton soldiers and seeing them using the hounds and figuring from there that she must have escaped. You can figure that's what happened, though, but it just seemed a bit out of nowhere.
While this episode was somewhat disappointing (probably because I was so hyped for the show's return) and made some mistakes and odd story choices, I'm still looking forward to seeing what's coming up.
I'm confused on the whole Trystane thing as well. He departed on the same boat with Myrcella and Jaime and left all three Sand Snakes on the dock watching until the boat was well in the distance. Yet somehow two of them snuck on the boat to kill him. Did they catch up in a completely different boat without anyone noticing? Did the ship pull into port somewhere along the way and they rode there really fast to get there first and sneak aboard, then managed to hide out for the rest of the journey? That deserved some explanation in order to not look like a continuity error.
Also, Ramsay's hounds are amazing, with their ability to completely disappear the moment their handlers are attacked. I know it can't be a fear of depicting animal death given this show's history, but it was a little jarring that they just suddenly vanished from the scene without a sound or shot of them leaving. It also doesn't seem like they would just run off given their fierce nature, desire to hunt and feed, and combat experience. I think they'd stay and defend the handlers or attack someone to kill and eat them.
I groaned when I saw Daenarys' fleet burning and Tyrion said "She won't be sailing to Westeros anytime soon." Yeah, great, more time in Essos rehashing the same things over and over again. I wasn't expecting her to set sail overnight, but some hint at preparation for movement in a westerly direction before perhaps next season would be nice.
It was strange that they never filmed a scene with Stannis' body last season, like they were keeping their options open in case they wanted to bring him back even though his story was really over. The Bolton soldiers must have found his body, or else Roose would not be so sure of his death by sword. Not showing the killing blow will leave some people speculating that he might still be alive, I think, even though there wouldn't be much point.
Killing off Bashir so unceremoniously in the first episode felt like a waste of a good character. They could have at least made his downfall a bit of a struggle so as to make this Dorne stuff more interesting.
Am I supposed to feel bad that Ramsay lost his torture, rape, and murder BFF? I mean, the actor did a good job with his emotional farewell in the scene, but it was a weird scene to have, since the audience wouldn't feel anything for her and we already know he's going to try and hunt Sansa and Theon down and make them pay just because he's Ramsay and that's just the way Ramsay rolls.
At least Brienne and Pod's fight and joining up with Sansa and Theon (finally) was satisfying, though it seemed a little random as she had no reason to believe Sansa had made it out. Could have used a scene of her tracking the Bolton soldiers and seeing them using the hounds and figuring from there that she must have escaped. You can figure that's what happened, though, but it just seemed a bit out of nowhere.
While this episode was somewhat disappointing (probably because I was so hyped for the show's return) and made some mistakes and odd story choices, I'm still looking forward to seeing what's coming up.
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This episode made me realize how little I care about any plot that isn't at the Wall or Arya. Because I was bored silly for the entirety of the rest of the episode.
Why isn't the Night's Watch burning John's body? I get that the coup leaders wanted to make a statement, leaving him out like that. But that statement is apparently that they're dumb. Because the risen dead like to kill Crows most of all, it seems. The attack in s1 that burned John's hand, the Fist of the First Men, and Hardhome, and nobody is calling for a little John Snow bonfire? Even, hell especially, the few still loyal to John? Sure, I don't actually expect John to stay dead, which is a meta reason not to torch his corpse, but it's also terrible writing as left unaddressed. (Though if somebody brings it up next week I guess I'll be ok with that. Just a mention of some common sense, please?)
Brienne... actually did something useful. And kept a vow! Damn, that's two episodes in a row. Maybe she'll find a way not to completely blow her entire mission this time. No? Yeah, I don't really believe that either.
Dany bored me, even Tyrion and Varys can't make Mereen interesting, Jaime Lannister is a terrible adaptation of the novel's nuanced and reflective take on the character. And will Jorah Mormont's Greyscale hurry up? I'm counting on it to put the audience out of it's misery, removing his tired pining from the equation.
All in all, about what I expected. This show's highest quality days are behind it. I just hope this week isn't indicative of their focus the whole season (no reason it should be), or I'll be one bored viewer this year.
Why isn't the Night's Watch burning John's body? I get that the coup leaders wanted to make a statement, leaving him out like that. But that statement is apparently that they're dumb. Because the risen dead like to kill Crows most of all, it seems. The attack in s1 that burned John's hand, the Fist of the First Men, and Hardhome, and nobody is calling for a little John Snow bonfire? Even, hell especially, the few still loyal to John? Sure, I don't actually expect John to stay dead, which is a meta reason not to torch his corpse, but it's also terrible writing as left unaddressed. (Though if somebody brings it up next week I guess I'll be ok with that. Just a mention of some common sense, please?)
Brienne... actually did something useful. And kept a vow! Damn, that's two episodes in a row. Maybe she'll find a way not to completely blow her entire mission this time. No? Yeah, I don't really believe that either.
Dany bored me, even Tyrion and Varys can't make Mereen interesting, Jaime Lannister is a terrible adaptation of the novel's nuanced and reflective take on the character. And will Jorah Mormont's Greyscale hurry up? I'm counting on it to put the audience out of it's misery, removing his tired pining from the equation.
All in all, about what I expected. This show's highest quality days are behind it. I just hope this week isn't indicative of their focus the whole season (no reason it should be), or I'll be one bored viewer this year.
Says who? And who told the Night's Watch that? Because I didn't know that, and I'd bet full well that our characters don't know that either.
Says all of the evidence available? Burning bodies is an old tradition in the north, but clearly the dead don't rise south of the wall or it wouldn't have been so hard to convince everyone it was a problem. On the other hand, if the Wildlings' stand on the issue is any sign, the dead seem to rise with some regularity on the north side of the wall.
I see that they are following the same formula they did with past seasons, wrap up the last season finale quickly and then set up the new storylines. If they follow on it will be about 3-4 episodes of "Ok, that was kinda serviceable but not groundbreaking", the middle of the season starts to pick up and the last 2-3 episodes are balls to the wall action and events unfolding.
This one was ok i guess.. everybody was there where we left of, nothing moved significantly and it was all set up.. the episode could have been named "Previously on Season 5".
However it's still nice to see everybody again after nearly a year. I loved the scene of Tyrion and Varys walking through Mereen and talking about politics and what needs to be done in Dany's absence.
I'm also kinda relieved they didn't take the fast route and have Jon resurrected then and there when Melissandre entered the room where they kept Jon. I'm not familiar with the books (i really have to start reading them someday) but are the priests and priestesses giving up their own lifeforce to perform their magic? Is this mentioned in the books because the way she looked like at the end of the episode kinda suggested that to me.
It's also nice to see the Dothraki again but Dany doesn't have the influence now she had through Khal Drogo, yet his name saved her from a very bad fate. However judging from the trailers where Drogon was flying over the Dothraki and that even i could track the direction of the Dothraki after they left this huge track of dug up land in their movement direction i guess Dany won't have to become the Dothraki version of a nun.
Sansa managed to escape so there's that, it remains to be seen how the events unfold that lead to the big battle vs. the Boltons that we saw in the trailers.
Biggest disappointment was Dorne.. again. From the background i have read it sounds like one awesome kingdom, Dorne was represented in the most awesome way through season 4's Oberyn Martell and the great Pedro Pascal but once he was gone it kinda went away with a whimper. I was superexited when they cast Siddig as the ruler of Dorne expecting much from this but he had maybe a page combined of dialogue all season and then went out like a punk today. They made such a big hubbubb out of the Sand Snakes but they are easily the worst to come out of that storyline (despite the spectacular breasts one of them showed to Bronn).
So yeah.. still a very slow start so buckle up for the next ones. We know some of what will happen through the trailers but well made trailers are sometimes even misleading to actual events happening so i'm confident we may get a a good season, perhaps even a great one, when all is over.
Big question now is what will happen to Jon.. they didn't decapitate or burn him right away (understandable given the timeframe of Castle Black in the episode) but i still wonder why they would defend his dead body so vehemently if they don't have plans for it. If it's just to fight off Thorne and remove him from command would be quite weak so there's still hope Melissandre will get out of her funk and resurrect Snow.
This one was ok i guess.. everybody was there where we left of, nothing moved significantly and it was all set up.. the episode could have been named "Previously on Season 5".
However it's still nice to see everybody again after nearly a year. I loved the scene of Tyrion and Varys walking through Mereen and talking about politics and what needs to be done in Dany's absence.
I'm also kinda relieved they didn't take the fast route and have Jon resurrected then and there when Melissandre entered the room where they kept Jon. I'm not familiar with the books (i really have to start reading them someday) but are the priests and priestesses giving up their own lifeforce to perform their magic? Is this mentioned in the books because the way she looked like at the end of the episode kinda suggested that to me.
It's also nice to see the Dothraki again but Dany doesn't have the influence now she had through Khal Drogo, yet his name saved her from a very bad fate. However judging from the trailers where Drogon was flying over the Dothraki and that even i could track the direction of the Dothraki after they left this huge track of dug up land in their movement direction i guess Dany won't have to become the Dothraki version of a nun.
Sansa managed to escape so there's that, it remains to be seen how the events unfold that lead to the big battle vs. the Boltons that we saw in the trailers.
Biggest disappointment was Dorne.. again. From the background i have read it sounds like one awesome kingdom, Dorne was represented in the most awesome way through season 4's Oberyn Martell and the great Pedro Pascal but once he was gone it kinda went away with a whimper. I was superexited when they cast Siddig as the ruler of Dorne expecting much from this but he had maybe a page combined of dialogue all season and then went out like a punk today. They made such a big hubbubb out of the Sand Snakes but they are easily the worst to come out of that storyline (despite the spectacular breasts one of them showed to Bronn).
So yeah.. still a very slow start so buckle up for the next ones. We know some of what will happen through the trailers but well made trailers are sometimes even misleading to actual events happening so i'm confident we may get a a good season, perhaps even a great one, when all is over.
Big question now is what will happen to Jon.. they didn't decapitate or burn him right away (understandable given the timeframe of Castle Black in the episode) but i still wonder why they would defend his dead body so vehemently if they don't have plans for it. If it's just to fight off Thorne and remove him from command would be quite weak so there's still hope Melissandre will get out of her funk and resurrect Snow.
I also don’t even understand what Trystane’s ship was doing when the Sand Snakes attacked him. It looked like the ship was just sitting there, chilling at KL. What was Trystane planning to do there? Was the idea that Jaime would go ashore with Myrcella’s body first, and have a long talk with Cersei to see what kind of mood she’s in, then flash either a thumbs up or thumbs down to the Dornish, to let them know if it’s safe for Trystane to come ashore? I don’t get it.
Also, now that the two elder Sand Snakes are in the King’s Landing neighborhood, are they going to ninja themselves around town and assassinate people, or head back to Dorne? Maybe their function in the show at this point is to wander around Westeros killing characters that the writers need to cut in order to finish the story on time.
It wasn't too bad an episode...
Personally, I am looking forward to watching what happens when Davos discovers the real cause of Shireen's death - as the Americans here might say, he's going to open a can of whoop ass on Melisandre
Personally, I am looking forward to watching what happens when Davos discovers the real cause of Shireen's death - as the Americans here might say, he's going to open a can of whoop ass on Melisandre
I've been bored with Dany since Season 2 so there's not really a surprise there. I don't what people were honestly expecting, some huge balls to the wall action episode? It's GoT, it's always a slow burn at the start of a season.
Only thing I was miffed about was there was nothing of how Theon & Sansa survived jumping off that 50ft hight wall?! But otherwise it was an ok episode, that ending was creepy as hell!
Only thing I was miffed about was there was nothing of how Theon & Sansa survived jumping off that 50ft hight wall?! But otherwise it was an ok episode, that ending was creepy as hell!
I found the premier "serviceable", almost a "setting the table" for the episodes going forward. I don't see the whole "guarding Jon Snow" angle. To me it was more getting the body inside after it's discovery, figuring out it was a coup and then the realization that the coup means that they are next to face the sword.
All just echo what others here have stated ... The whole Dorne story and scenes were just a mess...
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All just echo what others here have stated ... The whole Dorne story and scenes were just a mess...
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Literally no one in the thread so far has said that they were expecting that. Quite the opposite, as we know first episodes involve a lot of plot set-up for the rest of the season. But you can have non-action-oriented establishing episodes that aren't boring, though. I love a good battle of wits and snarky dialogue as much as an actual battle.
Same could be said for Sansa.. she's the biggest victim of the show. In the first seasons everybody felt pity with her as the young girl who had to endure Joffrey's evil insanity but even then there were glimpses of a bright mind developing when she had her occasional small victories of her own doing. Joffrey died and she escaped and i actually yelled out loud when she came down the stairs dressed all in black, a determined look on her face because i thought she'd become the Grim Reaper who'd move against all Stark enemies and defeat them by wit and subterfuge she had to learn under Joffrey's rule.
Well it was a short pipedream as the immediately fell under the control of a perhaps even bigger monster and was even worse off than under Joffrey. We all know that this world is unforgiving, harsh and definitely not fair but sometimes you really need a win for the good guys as rare as they are in GoT.
We'll see what happens now with her.. her name still carries a lot of weight in the North, she's a direct descendant of beloved Ned Stark and she now has personal protection. I just hope it's not fucked up again and she manages to do something for once.
I think that the writers of the episode may have forgotten what was done with Trystane in "Mother's Mercy", but it's not as big a deal as people are trying to make it out to be.
Mistakes happen; people aren't infallible, and even the best writers/showrunners sometimes do things that are contradictory to stuff they've already established. It is what it is, and no amount of complaining about it is going to 'fix' things.
Mistakes happen; people aren't infallible, and even the best writers/showrunners sometimes do things that are contradictory to stuff they've already established. It is what it is, and no amount of complaining about it is going to 'fix' things.
The parallel that I draw on that is Gillian from Boardwalk Empire. Her story was very thin and at some point, she served her usefulness and should have been killed off, but I guess because of her star status, wanted to keep her on for long as possible and her story had become a joke reduced to wallowing.
But I've actually been really enjoying Dani's story for the most part, unlike a lot of people, and I find it to be one of the highlights of the show for me. She represents the cultural side of the land. But I do agree that there hasn't been all that much progress with her. I like seeing her travel around, but find it disappointing and frustrating to see nothing come out of it. So much for so little.
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