Game Of Thrones Season 6 Discussion (Spoilers)
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You mean like the build up to the Shadow War in Babylon 5, to end with Sheridan telling them to get out of our galaxy?After waiting for seven seasons for the dreaded White Walker invasion... Dany makes a couple passes with her three dragons and burns them all into nothing. The end.
Have we seen the zombies in the books at this point? I thought we'd only seen the wights. I would agree that it seems like the dead are just minions of the wights, and we do not really know how many or how few wights there are.
I don't think it will be that simple in a similar way that the Eagles didn't fly Frodo to Mount Doom.After waiting for seven seasons for the dreaded White Walker invasion... Dany makes a couple passes with her three dragons and burns them all into nothing. The end.
Could the eldest son of a Lord be considered a Prince? As in the Prince That Was Promised? The unassuming, the underdogs, the meek and humble, without hubris in stories often are the winners of power because only those who do not seek power deserve it. Could Sam Tarly sit in the throne when all others seeking to acquire it fail? Wouldn't that be a twist?
Just to amp up the cliché:
Jon finds himself in close combat with the Night Kings at the peak of the Great War and Dany descends with her Dragons but has to use them now on the NIght's King or risk losing the only chance she has (for whatever reason).
She decides the sacrifice of one man, even a hero like Jon, is a small price to pay to end the entire war and the Dragons blast both of them at close range. The Night King is molten down to slag but Jon steps out of the flames like a boss and Longclaw has been transformed into Lightbringer proving that Jon is The Prince that was Promised and a Targaryen!
Dear lord, don't let me write literature or produce a TV show
Jon finds himself in close combat with the Night Kings at the peak of the Great War and Dany descends with her Dragons but has to use them now on the NIght's King or risk losing the only chance she has (for whatever reason).
She decides the sacrifice of one man, even a hero like Jon, is a small price to pay to end the entire war and the Dragons blast both of them at close range. The Night King is molten down to slag but Jon steps out of the flames like a boss and Longclaw has been transformed into Lightbringer proving that Jon is The Prince that was Promised and a Targaryen!
Dear lord, don't let me write literature or produce a TV show
You all put down my Horn of Winter theories, so I'm going back to writing my crossover fanfic about how The World of Ice and Fire is a terraformed Medieval-era hunting preserve for the Predator species (complete with transplanted Earth species), the Giants are descended from Engineers, a dragon is on the Predator's trophy wall in Predator 2, Wildfyre was synthesized from the Predator's blood by the Maesters, Valyrian Steel is made from that unidentifiable alloy in Predator 2, the Mereenese pyramids were originally temples to the Predators like their human worshipers in AvP, the Doom of Valyria was a huge Predator self-destruct bomb, the exceptionally long seasons are so those Predators that prefer heat and those that prefer cold can each have their way for years, and the Predators were the as yet unidentified advanced species that occupied the Iron Islands in the books before the First Men arrived.
ETA: Oh, and the Boltons stole their love of hunting human prey and skinning people alive from the Predators.
It all fits, bitches!
ETA: Oh, and the Boltons stole their love of hunting human prey and skinning people alive from the Predators.
It all fits, bitches!
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I'm sold! get writing!You all put down my Horn of Winter theories, so I'm going back to writing my crossover fanfic about how The World of Ice and Fire is a terraformed Medieval-era hunting preserve for the Predator species (complete with transplanted Earth species), the Giants are descended from Engineers, a dragon is on the Predator's trophy wall in Predator 2, Wildfyre was synthesized from the Predator's blood by the Maesters, Valyrian Steel is made from that unidentifiable alloy in Predator 2, the Mereenese pyramids were originally temples to the Predators like their human worshipers in AvP, the Doom of Valyria was a huge Predator self-destruct bomb, the exceptionally long seasons are so those Predators that prefer heat and those that prefer cold can each have their way for years, and the Predators were the as yet unidentified advanced species that occupied the Iron Islands in the books before the First Men arrived.
It all fits, bitches!
In the books, the wights are the zombies. The "Others", sometimes called White Walkers (always used on the show because of copyright reasons), are like evil ice elves and they seem to be magical constructs, but they are not "undead" humans. They command the wights and when they fight themselves, they are fast and deadly though vulnerable to obsidian/dragonglass (Sam had a dagger). Wights are vulnerable to fire; The Others may be, too, but they are much quicker and may be able to avoid or extinguish fire.
No mention of the stargate? At all?? What the hell???
Of course not. It's Pern.
I so love crossovers... 
I liked how that played out but the Shadow War was, really, essentially a philosophical war between the Vorlons and the Shadows that turned into a shooting war with everybody else caught up in the middle. Once Sheridan, et. al realized it- partly with the help of Lorien, they were able to intervene and stop it. I can't imagine that being the case with the White Walkers, whom have basically been revealed to be ice Frankensteins seemingly created to eradicate a threat that the COTF eventually lost control of.
Was this ever explained in the books? Do you remember where?
The closest thing we have to an infodump on them is when Sam finds some old books in the library of Castle Black. If the next book is remotely similar to this last season then it is likely we will finally get some proper exposition from Bran's chapters.
There is however plenty to be inferred from the encounters with them throughout the books. Including the obsidian vulnerability and the fact that there is a clear line between "The Others" and what they call "Wights" which are just basic undead creatures, including bears and horses and giants.
There is however plenty to be inferred from the encounters with them throughout the books. Including the obsidian vulnerability and the fact that there is a clear line between "The Others" and what they call "Wights" which are just basic undead creatures, including bears and horses and giants.
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Weren't we led to believe they're (White Walkers) created from human babies by the Night King, or was that one baby the Night King "iced" to some other purpose? I thought that was pretty clear.
Or is that a book/show difference? I haven't read them and doubt I will.
Also, I do not at all get the impression that corpses are "warged" a la Bran by the Night King. I get the impression that they are animated as if by a necromantic spell (which fits with the empowering/cursing done by the children of the forest), but not that he inhabits them in any way. I don't think they are his eyes and ears (to the extent they have them); we have never been shown that in the show. And their roaring/shrieking/spitting doesn't fit that really either--they seem to be individual zombies with whatever brain a fast but mainly unintelligent zombie might have.
I think we are supposed to think of Bran's talent as a rarity and not something that can be even magically imbued by another, else why would he have been so important to the three-eyed raven and the forest kiddies? They could have just imbued that ability--absent refrigeration into a White Walker--if that had been the case, rather than have needed Bran to trek there.
Just as an aside Max von Sydow doesn't look nearly as old as I'd thought he would by now. He doesn't look 87 to me!
Weren't we led to believe they're (White Walkers) created from human babies by the Night King, or was that one baby the Night King "iced" to some other purpose? I thought that was pretty clear.
Or is that a book/show difference? I haven't read them and doubt I will.
Also, I do not at all get the impression that corpses are "warged" a la Bran by the Night King. I get the impression that they are animated as if by a necromantic spell (which fits with the empowering/cursing done by the children of the forest), but not that he inhabits them in any way. I don't think they are his eyes and ears (to the extent they have them); we have never been shown that in the show. And their roaring/shrieking/spitting doesn't fit that really either--they seem to be individual zombies with whatever brain a fast but mainly unintelligent zombie might have.
I think we are supposed to think of Bran's talent as a rarity and not something that can be even magically imbued by another, else why would he have been so important to the three-eyed raven and the forest kiddies? They could have just imbued that ability--absent refrigeration into a White Walker--if that had been the case, rather than have needed Bran to trek there.
Just as an aside Max von Sydow doesn't look nearly as old as I'd thought he would by now. He doesn't look 87 to me!
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Maybe I will skim back through some of the encounter chapters in Storm of Swords. Thanks.
In the show, it was established that White Walkers are created from human babies. In the books, the Others (same thing) accept human babies as sacrifice by Craster, but it is unclear if the same thing happens as in the show. For all we know, they may be killed to power a magic ritual that creates an Other. Which would be similar to what happens in the show, but not quite the same thing.
In the books, the bodies indeed appear to be animated a la necromancers. When a White Walker/Other dies, it has been noted that some of the wights cease to function, so it seems there is a magical connection. However, Wights nevertheless seem to retain some information (maybe even personality) that the deceased individual had; the wightified Night's Watch men that were brough into Castle Black knew how to find the Commander's Tower to attack lord commander Mormont directly. IIRC there is no roaring/shrieking/spitting in the books, though, this seems to have been added to make the wights more impressive. Book-wights are slow but relentless, even detached bodyparts, such as hands, may keep attacking until burned or cut into little pieces.
All the Stark kids (including Jon) are wargs in the books, though Sansa hasn't demonstrated the ability yet (the author confirmed it outside the books). Bran is more though; he is also a "greenseer" and his warging ability supposedly will be far greater than anyone else, once he has accumulated enough experience. Just like in the show, he can use the trees with faces as terminals to a kind of internet/wikipedia/youtube-equivalent of Westeros.
Max Von Sydow is an excellent actor with a very distinctive voice; a pity we didn't hear him much.
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