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Gal Gadot cast as Wonder Woman In ‘Batman Vs. Superman’

If it's a battle on a tropical island somewhere? Sure, easier to dismiss, but, then, the stakes might be much much lower.

Why would the stakes have to be lower?

You make it sound like movies like Jurassic Park make $2 million total because nobody wants to see a handful of people trying to survive on a tiny, unknown island.

If you're invested in the characters, there's a lot you can do that will please an audience.
Why would anyone care about folks trying to get airplane tickets and a visa out of town? What the hell were they thinking when they made Casablanca?
 
Pretty good point the last 2 posters make.

Jurassic Park 1&3 are set on the island. X-Men 2 ends up on a deserted military base while First Class tries to convince us that the official account of the Cuban Missile Crisis is a lie (and Wolverine suggests an alternative reason for the Three Mile Island meltdown). The Wolverine concludes in a Japanese village and Skyfall in a scottish retreat, with 007 assisted by 2 OAPs. In fact, few, if any, recent Bond movies climax before the public eye while Captain America ended on a plane above the Arctic circle.
 
I take your point but I think the same pitfalls were present in Captain America and X-Men First Class - .

I disagree. Those weren't prequels. It was Caps first appearance. And First Class was essentially a reboot. Though, actually, if you want to consider it a prequel, it fell into one of the pitfalls in that it contradicts earlier films. In small ways, but, does.

If it's a battle on a tropical island somewhere? Sure, easier to dismiss, but, then, the stakes might be much much lower.

Why would the stakes have to be lower?

You make it sound like movies like Jurassic Park make $2 million total because nobody wants to see a handful of people trying to survive on a tiny, unknown island.

If you're invested in the characters, there's a lot you can do that will please an audience.

Jurassic Park isn't a superhero movie. Imagine what happens to the stakes and the threats if Wonder Woman is there.

Hey, RUN, there's a T-Rex!
(Punch, it's head explodes.)
Hey, RUN, those two legged thi--
(Smush, they are crushed.)
HEY, we can' get off the island!
Wonder Woman: Well, I can fly and I got a plane, so...

Why would anyone care about folks trying to get airplane tickets and a visa out of town? What the hell were they thinking when they made Casablanca?

Was that the one with Ironman or Batman? OH, right. Neither. It's a great movie, but, it's a very poor example of a superhero 150 million dollar picture.

Again, imagine the stakes if Wonder Woman was there.

There aren't any.


Pretty good point the last 2 posters make.

Clearly, I disagree.

Jurassic Park 1&3 are set on the island. X-Men 2 ends up on a deserted military base while First Class tries to convince us that the official account of the Cuban Missile Crisis is a lie (and Wolverine suggests an alternative reason for the Three Mile Island meltdown). The Wolverine concludes in a Japanese village and Skyfall in a scottish retreat, with 007 assisted by 2 OAPs. In fact, few, if any, recent Bond movies climax before the public eye while Captain America ended on a plane above the Arctic circle.

Now, I think you are onto something. Stakes are high, death of normals by Professor X or nuclear holocaust. AND, they are sort of secret events.

They should go for something like that.
 
And First Class was essentially a reboot.

First Class was a prequel. Contradictions or not.
Just ask Hugh Jackman in First Class, Rebecca Romijn in First Class, and then the Days of Futures Past movie.

Now, I think you are onto something. Stakes are high, death of normals by Professor X or nuclear holocaust. AND, they are sort of secret events.

They should go for something like that.

These movies are going to have contradictions. They're written by different people and have different things to say. If Wonder Woman is the first superhero but it was never mentioned in Man of Steel, so what? It's fiction and not real, they'll have the big things line up, but the details will always be off. And frankly, it shouldn't matter if the story will be better for it.

Just like the comics. And just like our favourite Trek shows.

We're the only ones getting hung up on this but to the people making the movies, it doesn't really matter so long as their current production says everything they want it to and in the best possible way they know how.
 
These movies are going to have contradictions. They're written by different people and have different things to say.

But, they don't HAVE to. They can fit well together. Look at the MCU.

If Wonder Woman is the first superhero but it was never mentioned in Man of Steel, so what?

Having not seen it in awhile, I don't remember if they expressly said that Supes was the first hero on Earth or not.

I actually DO hope they go with the idea that Wonder Woman is the first hero. And that people have heard of her. That would be interesting.

I started thinking about Batman in this new universe... and that he's still an urban legend... which sort of means "big" stories couldn't have happened to him. Like confrontations with the Joker like in Batman '89 or The Dark Knight. Those stories sort of blew his cover of being an urban legend.

Which is funny, basically ever Batman movie blows his cover of being an urban legend by the 3rd act.
 
I like the idea of Batman being more like the Mothman.

And what about the batmobile we saw in the promo pics? If he's an urban legend, then how did he get around in that without it being seen? Could he have used some other mode of transportation, only creating the armored vehicle when Superman showed up?
 
I think it's probably more that Gotham is just so full of crazy nutjobs and costumed lunatics that most people in the rest of the country don't take ANY news out of there too seriously. So if one of those costumed freaks happens to be a vigilante dressed up as a bat and driving around in a crazy looking car, the reaction from most is probably just to shrug their shoulders and go "yeah whatever, that's Gotham for you".

The characters and their battles may seem really epic to us, with the up close view we get of it (combined with the exciting music and direction). But from an outside perspective it probably wouldn't seem nearly as cool or impressive. And would just look like a bunch of nutjobs in Halloween costumes fighting each other.

And it's certainly nothing compared to a guy who can fly, shoot laser beams out of his eyes, and fight off an alien invasion all by himself.
 
We drunk the cool aide. None of us can see how dumb the name "Superman" is because we grew up with it.

If supers or super heroes had already existed called Batman or Wonder Women for quite a while, then that is a pattern that lead to the invention of the name Superman without it seeming completely f##king dumb.
 
Spider-Man is also dumb.

Catman is ridiculous.

Invisible Girl is childish and sexist.

It's all baby talk.

Besides, Ubermensch might be a whole lot classier to a German speaker than Superman is to an English speaker.
 
Spider-Man is also dumb.

Catman is ridiculous.

Invisible Girl is childish and sexist.

It's all baby talk.

Besides, Ubermensch might be a whole lot classier to a German speaker than Superman is to an English speaker.
They mean the same thing.

Why is that? Because a popular character aimed a children uses it?

You don't think words can have multiple meanings and work in different contexts?
 
You know that I own more comic books than you've had hot dinners Nerys?

This is just ordinary selfloathing.

What about the Legion of Super Heroes?

Their code names are super dumb.

Cosmic Boy?

Triplicate Girl?

Polar Boy?

Color Kid?

Stone Boy?

Lightning lad?

Star Boy?

Sun Boy?

Karate Kid?

Magnetic Kid?

The fellows in charge are (were) taking the piss.
 
You know that I own more comic books than you've had hot dinners Nerys?

This is just ordinary selfloathing.

What about the Legion of Super Heroes?

Their code names are super dumb.

Cosmic Boy?

Triplicate Girl?

Polar Boy?

Color Kid?

Stone Boy?

Lightning lad?

Star Boy?

Sun Boy?

Karate Kid?

Magnetic Kid?

The fellows in charge are (were) taking the piss.
You've no idea how many comics I own. Hell, I've no idea how many comics I own! :lol:

Nah, they aren't taking the piss. Just following a long established pattern. Take a thing, object, animal or skill and combine it gender designation. Alternate method, combine with a color.
 
You know that I own more comic books than you've had hot dinners Nerys?

This is just ordinary selfloathing.

What about the Legion of Super Heroes?

Their code names are super dumb.

Cosmic Boy?

Triplicate Girl?

Polar Boy?

Color Kid?

Stone Boy?

Lightning lad?

Star Boy?

Sun Boy?

Karate Kid?

Magnetic Kid?

The fellows in charge are (were) taking the piss.

Sometimes I wonder if your posts are just the current debate amongst the committee in your head, because I can't make heads or tails of most of them. Surely I'm not the only one.

But they're always entertaining. :guffaw:
 
There's got to be some kind of key or Rosetta Stone out there that can help us interpret this strange alien language he's speaking. Lol
 
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