Gaith does Wonder Woman

[Agent Richard07]

I don't support any of the waifish choices that get thrown around either, like Natalie Portman, Summer Glau, Sarah Michelle Gellar, etc, but I do think Wonder Woman has to be attractive. I remember her being described as one of the most beautiful women around. Ideally, she should look like she could beat up an army of klingons AND walk down a runway at a fashion show. It doesn't have to be one or the other. And being strong and capable doesn't mean looking like a man-ish wrestler.

What would a live-action Wonder Woman look like to me? Maybe someone like Lisa Snowdon.

And maybe Natalie Glebova. I made an avatar featuring her as Wonder Woman a while back...

It's hard to find anyone who could top Lynda Carter though.

As for the costume, I say leave it. Putting her in armor smacks of trying too hard to be "realistic". An amazon woman from another world not dressing like we think she should is realistic anyway.

 

[C.E. Evans]

True that. Bruce and Clark and go have fun, but Diana has to stay pretty much virginal and chaste.

Excuse me, but no, you're wrong on the 'virginal and chaste part'. Superman was pretty virginal and chaste around Lana Lang, and didn't hop into bed with Lois when they'd been getting intimate with each other early in their relationship (pre-reveal that he is Superman era). Bruce Wayne never really has sex with any woman, not even Selina Kyle; to him, sex is nothing more than an itch, one that doesn't bother him enough for him to want to scratch (with the recent exception of Wonder Woman). So, I believe that they're all straight arrow.

You took my quote out of context:

I don't think it's a coincidence that of the so-called Holy Trinity, it's the woman who lives like a monk.

True that. Bruce and Clark and go have fun, but Diana has to stay pretty much virginal and chaste.

The point is that Bruce and Clark can go have love lives outside of the costume, but Diana really can't. Almost every time she gets close to someone, something bad generally happens to him or the relationship fizzles out before it can really go anywhere, much less get consummated.

Bruce has had numerous loves, even some fairly serious ones. Clark had Lana Lang as a childhood sweetheart, but went on to find and marry Lois Lane. Diana, on the other hand, hasn't really had "time" for anything mushy like that. She's the noble warior whose duties and adventures always get in the way (poor Steve Trevor died when he got really close with her twice and eventually only got to marry her in the original WW title's final issue before Crisis wiped it all out). The very few other loves Diana has had post-Crisis haven't fared much better, because she's a warrior first and foremost, 24 hours a day...

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ So just fix WW up *with* Superman and call it solved.

 

[Greg Cox]

^ So just fix WW up *with* Superman and call it solved.

I think Lois might have an issue with that!

 

[C.E. Evans]

^ So just fix WW up *with* Superman and call it solved.

Oh, they've tried. Numerous times in various tales.

But I'm afraid there's some sense that no man--not even a super man--will really be good enough for Wonder Woman...

 

[Greg Cox]

To be fair,there does seem to be a double standard here. Superman and Batman both have much more active love lives, by comic book standards, than Wonder Woman ever has (except in the occasional alternate universe or imaginary story). I'm not sure if she's technically a virgin, but DC does seem to be reluctant to "sully" her image in that way. Or maybe they just want to duck the issue indefinitely.

My own instinct is that DC should bite the bullet, let Diana spend the night with some guy, and don't make a big deal of it. Sure, they may inevitably have to deal with some awkward "Wonder Woman Gets Some" headlines, but at least the issue would finally be laid to rest, no pun intended. Future writers could then throw in as many or as few romantic subplots as they felt like, without it being a Whole Big Thing. Wonder Woman could be treated like every other comic book character, without any extra baggage.

 

[C.E. Evans]

^^^
That really sums up my sentiments about this particular issue rather eloquently.

There's a comics message board I frequent with a Wonder Woman forum and it almost seems as if there's a possessiveness/protectiveness about the character by some who scoff at the idea of her being involved with anyone. As if her falling in love would destroy the character in a way it wouldn't with Superman and Batman, I dunno...

They don't want her to really have a secret identity because they feel it's against her nature to be always truthful and noble.

 

[Nerys Myk]

To be fair,there does seem to be a double standard here. Superman and Batman both have much more active love lives, by comic book standards, than Wonder Woman ever has (except in the occasional alternate universe or imaginary story). I'm not sure if she's technically a virgin, but DC does seem to be reluctant to "sully" her image in that way. Or maybe they just want to duck the issue indefinitely.

My own instinct is that DC should bite the bullet, let Diana spend the night with some guy, and don't make a big deal of it. Sure, they may inevitably have to deal with some awkward "Wonder Woman Gets Some" headlines, but at least the issue would finally be laid to rest, no pun intended. Future writers could then throw in as many or as few romantic subplots as they felt like, without it being a Whole Big Thing. Wonder Woman could be treated like every other comic book character, without any extra baggage.

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[Shazam!]

Actually, I never really bought the idea of Wonder Woman having a secret identity either, though not for those reasons.

In 'my world' WW is an official ambassador of Themiscyra and is treated as such.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Actually, I never really bought the idea of Wonder Woman having a secret identity either, though not for those reasons.

In 'my world' WW is an official ambassador of Themiscyra and is treated as such.

I prefer that as well.

 

[Gaith]

My own instinct is that DC should bite the bullet, let Diana spend the night with some guy, and don't make a big deal of it.

But (and I'm assuming, uninformedly and perhaps totally wrongly) that most people who buy WW comics are guys, who like to imagine themselves as that "some guy", so having her sleep with a dude would sort of trample on the wish fulfillment. You yourself called this the "Steve Trevor Syndrome" in my thread "Would Tomb Raider-type movies work better with lesbian protagonists?", of which WW is a classic example.

 

[Agent Richard07]

I haven't kept up with every detail of Wonder Woman lore, but it's my understanding that 1) she no longer has a secret identity and lives openly as Diana. And 2) she did have sex with someone named Trevor Barnes.

 

[Nerys Myk]

She became DEO ( I think) Agent Diana Prince when they restarted the book after Infinite Crisis. Not sure if she's still secret agent woman.

 

[Greg Cox]

I'm not sure that's the problem. By "Steve Trevor Syndrome," I was mostly referring to the guy-as-damsel-in-distress dilemna. I don't think male readers ever regarded him as competition for themselves.

 

[C.E. Evans]

...she did have sex with someone named Trevor Barnes.

Trevor Barnes was the one that some feared would have sex with Diana, but they got rid of him before that happened--and thousands of fanboys rejoiced...

 

[Dusty Ayres]

True that. Bruce and Clark and go have fun, but Diana has to stay pretty much virginal and chaste.

Excuse me, but no, you're wrong on the 'virginal and chaste part'. Superman was pretty virginal and chaste around Lana Lang, and didn't hop into bed with Lois when they'd been getting intimate with each other early in their relationship (pre-reveal that he is Superman era). Bruce Wayne never really has sex with any woman, not even Selina Kyle; to him, sex is nothing more than an itch, one that doesn't bother him enough for him to want to scratch (with the recent exception of Wonder Woman). So, I believe that they're all straight arrow.

You took my quote out of context:

I don't think it's a coincidence that of the so-called Holy Trinity, it's the woman who lives like a monk.

True that. Bruce and Clark and go have fun, but Diana has to stay pretty much virginal and chaste.

The point is that Bruce and Clark can go have love lives outside of the costume, but Diana really can't. Almost every time she gets close to someone, something bad generally happens to him or the relationship fizzles out before it can really go anywhere, much less get consummated.

Bruce has had numerous loves, even some fairly serious ones. Clark had Lana Lang as a childhood sweetheart, but went on to find and marry Lois Lane. Diana, on the other hand, hasn't really had "time" for anything mushy like that. She's the noble warior whose duties and adventures always get in the way (poor Steve Trevor died when he got really close with her twice and eventually only got to marry her in the original WW title's final issue before Crisis wiped it all out). The very few other loves Diana has had post-Crisis haven't fared much better, because she's a warrior first and foremost, 24 hours a day...

^ So just fix WW up *with* Superman and call it solved.

To be fair,there does seem to be a double standard here. Superman and Batman both have much more active love lives, by comic book standards, than Wonder Woman ever has (except in the occasional alternate universe or imaginary story). I'm not sure if she's technically a virgin, but DC does seem to be reluctant to "sully" her image in that way. Or maybe they just want to duck the issue indefinitely.

My own instinct is that DC should bite the bullet, let Diana spend the night with some guy, and don't make a big deal of it. Sure, they may inevitably have to deal with some awkward "Wonder Woman Gets Some" headlines, but at least the issue would finally be laid to rest, no pun intended. Future writers could then throw in as many or as few romantic subplots as they felt like, without it being a Whole Big Thing. Wonder Woman could be treated like every other comic book character, without any extra baggage.

And the real reason DC Comics won't was summed up very well a while ago:

When George Perez revamped Wonder Woman in 1996, he didn't set up Steve Trevor as Wonder Woman's love interest. In fact, Steve Trevor got married and departed from the title altogether. Since then, Diana's only love interests have been the "it'll never happen" glances at Aquaman and Superman. Diana's own book, Wonder Woman, overflows with female characters. Thus, it's to be expected that the buzz starts. Is there a reason she's not seriously dated anyone? How can she not have some suitors? She's from an island of women, where lesbian relations have become normalized. Is Wonder Woman…a lesbian?
Er…not that there's anything wrong with that.

15 Years Without A Man: Is Wonder Woman Gay?

 

[Jetfire]

Why do these characters have to be in a relationship at all? There are people in real life who never get involved with anyone and just focus on other things that matter to them. I think it would be nice if WW was a spiritual and celibate being.

 

[Reverend]

I actually rather liked how the DCAU toyed with the idea of an attraction between Diana and Bruce. Though it never quite went anywhere, it was tastefully done and quite subtle. They never got angsty about it or wasted time having one or the other pining; Bruce did his best to avoid the subject while Diana was practically twisting his arm off to get a date.

I think that overall it's a much better match-up than the usual assumption that she'd only go for Supes. Leaving Lois Lane aside for a second, Kent is way too much of a boyscout while Bruce on the other hand has a much more "warrior" like personality balanced by a well hidden sense of compassion, not unlike Diana herself.
Plus, the way I see the character she's not about to be impressed by superhuman strength and I see her having more respect for someone like Bruce who's a mortal man who works at bettering himself.

That's not to say that she must have a relationship, by any means. It's entierly possible to have her remain unattached without being puritanical about it. However, if they do go for it and it's not a Steve Trevor type (i.e. character that only appears in her book) then she could do worse than have a relationship with Bats.

 

[Gaith]

Well, I don't care much about WW comics - or at all, even - but it's pretty hard to do a good two-hour action/adventure movie without at least some sort of romantic angle for the lead, because the audience needs an emotional connection as well as an ideological, good-good/evil-bad connection. So if you want a WW movie, you'll probably have to take a love interest along with it, and that's where the problems start.

 

[Jetfire]

^
I don't think it has be romantic...it could be any sort of relationship to provide an emotional connection.