Spoilers Fugitive of the Judoon grade and discussion thread
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Was that the first doctors tardis? Any theories on how that works...
Really enjoyed this episode. Captain Jack was such a nice surprise, was not expecting it all. Episode was also full of energy, surprises and mystery and I am now genuinely looking forward to what is coming next as I have no idea what is going to happen.
Haven't felt this excited about Doctor Who in a long time, maybe since The Name Of The Doctor
Haven't felt this excited about Doctor Who in a long time, maybe since The Name Of The Doctor
The [not]-first doctor configured the Tardis he stole based on his subconscious memories of what his/her original TARDIS looked like. It is stuck as a Police Box because they did it and forgot.
Well!
And people thought we were in for a simple romp with the rhinos.
Can't say nothing happened in this one, can we?
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And people thought we were in for a simple romp with the rhinos.
Can't say nothing happened in this one, can we?
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Two possibilities - Doctor has past lives pre-Hartnell and forgot. Or Doctor will re-boot Gallifrey as final act of current life, regenerating INTO the new "First Doctor" of the new cycle, who forgets past lives.
Or we're dealing with an alternate Gallifrey.
Was certain Ruth was gonna be River until the buried TARDIS reveal.
Or we're dealing with an alternate Gallifrey.
Was certain Ruth was gonna be River until the buried TARDIS reveal.
Oh and my Mum was tickled pink to see Jack back in action.
Wow, not just two good episodes in a row but for my money this was easily the best episode since Whitaker & Chibnall took over. Started off very RTD with the domestic setting and Ruth unsuccessfully trying to hawk her wares as a tour guide.
Then...tension and stakes gradually raised, with a couple of civilian deaths to show that the Judoon meant business. Didn’t expect Lee to die either, though I guessed the twist about Ruth maybe a minute beforehand (I expected to see one of those pocket watch things involved somewhere).
Looks like the rumour about the previous set of incarnations is true, though I still expect there to be some twist in the tail.
All of that AND Captain Jack- great to see him (did I read a spoiler or did someone here once make the suggestion that it would be fun if Jack met the new Doctor but mistook Graham for the Doc?) but honestly the story was strong enough that it would still have gotten top marks from me even without him.
This is the most excited I’ve been about DW for a few years now.
Then...tension and stakes gradually raised, with a couple of civilian deaths to show that the Judoon meant business. Didn’t expect Lee to die either, though I guessed the twist about Ruth maybe a minute beforehand (I expected to see one of those pocket watch things involved somewhere).
Looks like the rumour about the previous set of incarnations is true, though I still expect there to be some twist in the tail.
All of that AND Captain Jack- great to see him (did I read a spoiler or did someone here once make the suggestion that it would be fun if Jack met the new Doctor but mistook Graham for the Doc?) but honestly the story was strong enough that it would still have gotten top marks from me even without him.
This is the most excited I’ve been about DW for a few years now.
The moment I heard his disembodied voice, I knew that must be Captain Jack. I'm so happy that I was right, but damn it was just a big fat teaser. Great fun interactions between him, the three companions, and his slight confusion of who The Doctor was (but, of course, he didn't even bat an eye about The Doctor being a woman now).
...and yet...that wasn't even the biggest bombshell of the episode. I figured Ruth (or Lee before her) was a Time Lord in disguise and I was surprised The Doctor didn't figure it out sooner and started inquiring about a fob watch. Neat twist with it being a lighthouse this time around. But I definitely didn't see Ruth being The Doctor herself.
And now we have a big mystery, is she really The Doctor like she claims? Evidence for: Hartnell-esque TARDIS interior, fantastically weird attire; evidence against: violence against the Judoon and Gat. If so, then why doesn't The Thirteenth Doctor not remember (which would tie into The Master's claim of the lies)? The Ruth Doctor and Gat do seem to be genuinely in the past, even if that doesn't make any sense based on previous Doctor Who time mechanics (yeah, yeah, rules are changed any given moment).
Or it's some great elaborate lie by The Master, but that seems unlikely.
So has Chibnall really broken Doctor Who lore, for better or for worse? If The Ruth Doctor is genuinely before The First Doctor, does that mean there are others, like The Morbius Doctors (that'll make Allyn Gibson happy).
And why introduce Jack here and now without him getting to meet The Thirteenth Doctor? I have a feeling we're going to get even more blasts from the past before this season is over. Is it too much to hope for Romana at least?
I have to say, I'm very impressed how Chibnall and the BBC managed to keep both Captain Jack's triumphant return and a whole new unknown Doctor a complete secret. Although casting someone of far less pedigree than John Hurt certainly helps.
...and yet...that wasn't even the biggest bombshell of the episode. I figured Ruth (or Lee before her) was a Time Lord in disguise and I was surprised The Doctor didn't figure it out sooner and started inquiring about a fob watch. Neat twist with it being a lighthouse this time around. But I definitely didn't see Ruth being The Doctor herself.
And now we have a big mystery, is she really The Doctor like she claims? Evidence for: Hartnell-esque TARDIS interior, fantastically weird attire; evidence against: violence against the Judoon and Gat. If so, then why doesn't The Thirteenth Doctor not remember (which would tie into The Master's claim of the lies)? The Ruth Doctor and Gat do seem to be genuinely in the past, even if that doesn't make any sense based on previous Doctor Who time mechanics (yeah, yeah, rules are changed any given moment).
Or it's some great elaborate lie by The Master, but that seems unlikely.
So has Chibnall really broken Doctor Who lore, for better or for worse? If The Ruth Doctor is genuinely before The First Doctor, does that mean there are others, like The Morbius Doctors (that'll make Allyn Gibson happy).
And why introduce Jack here and now without him getting to meet The Thirteenth Doctor? I have a feeling we're going to get even more blasts from the past before this season is over. Is it too much to hope for Romana at least?
I have to say, I'm very impressed how Chibnall and the BBC managed to keep both Captain Jack's triumphant return and a whole new unknown Doctor a complete secret. Although casting someone of far less pedigree than John Hurt certainly helps.
Throwing everything at the screen, and not making any of it sing. Felt like CBBC, even Jack was a cartoon version of Jack, and the wardrobe designer needs a new job.
Purple. Everything! All the time!
Oh, and let’s (possibly) rewrite the whole history of the narrative in the show, in a very clumsy manner, and just year zero the whole thing. Maybe they won’t, since they leant so heavily on how impossible that is.
The previous show runners and writers could have pulled so,etching like this off, but would have had the sense not to throw it into one episode, and would have made it *believable* inside the story, but this was just ‘and then, and then’. The fact we have seen similar things done before (The War Doctor, The Next Doctor) means it doesn’t even feel wholly new.
*shrug*
I was really trying this year, I diligently watched every week. I feel bad for adding to the viewing figures. This is just terrible storytelling.
Purple. Everything! All the time!
Oh, and let’s (possibly) rewrite the whole history of the narrative in the show, in a very clumsy manner, and just year zero the whole thing. Maybe they won’t, since they leant so heavily on how impossible that is.
The previous show runners and writers could have pulled so,etching like this off, but would have had the sense not to throw it into one episode, and would have made it *believable* inside the story, but this was just ‘and then, and then’. The fact we have seen similar things done before (The War Doctor, The Next Doctor) means it doesn’t even feel wholly new.
*shrug*
I was really trying this year, I diligently watched every week. I feel bad for adding to the viewing figures. This is just terrible storytelling.
I like this idea. The show hasn't delved that much into parallel universes beyond Inferno and Pete's World, and neither instance involved Gallifrey or any Time Lords (aside from fan suppositions). Maybe The Ruth Doctor and Gat are from one Gallifrey universe, our Doctor and Master are from another, and the destroyed Gallifrey is from a third, perhaps an earlier, more vulnerable version which would help explain how The Master was able to destroy them so "easily" (although how The Doctor keeps visiting that one, I'm not sure, maybe The Master sabotaged her TARDIS somehow).
This is basically the only way I don’t just give up on the show tbh. And even then...
Wish I had managed the cash for the season 26 blu rays after all. I may have been able to pretend that really, it neve came back. Though that would be a disservice to everything up until this team.
Maybe. It depends on how it's presented and the mechanism for why all this started in the first place (undoubtedly the answer to that is probably The Master).
Melodramatic much?
Pete's World didn't have a Doctor. I'd always considered that it used to have (the Peter Cushing version of The First Doctor) but somewhere along the line one of his regenerations failed.
I also consider that the Doctor generated from Tenant's severed hand replaced him, and does have a piece of Tardis coral. And will be able to regenerate following exposure to Tardis energies, as per River Song.