News FOX selling out to Disney?
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^ I'm saying it's an irrelevant and illegitimate concern because of the current (or forthcoming) simultaneous existence of multiple versions of various comic-book properties belonging to both Marvel and DC.
Well, when we talk about using "X-Men characters," that doesn't just mean the X-Men themselves, it can mean villains or species that are part of the X-Men franchise and movie license, such as the Shi'ar and the Imperial Guard, perhaps. In the same way that getting the Fantastic Four license would open the door to using the Negative Zone or the Mole Man, say.
OK, here's an X-Men in the MCU theory for you all to poke holes in...
Suppose there are mutants in the MCU. We never did learn the origins of Scorch's power on Agents of SHIELD, just some vague talk of him being near a nuclear accident. So, Mutants are beginning to pop up, and this is known to only a select few. Among them are young mutants and good friends Charles Xavier and Erik Lennsher, who strive to keep this knowledge a secret for as long as they can by using means such as memory erasure and technological trickery. (In the comics, the X-Men employed a computer virus that automatically erased any mention, photo or video of the X-Men that was transmitted.)
They also secretly collect young mutants and run a school to prepare them for the outside world. However, these two friends have disagreements that I do not need to detail here. And when the inevitable day comes (post-Avengers 4) when the existence of mutants (otherwise fully-human people born with powers) is differentiated from powers from radiation exposure, genetic manipulation and alien DNA and humanity freaks out (as humanity tends to do), the school splits down the middle and the X-Men and the Brotherhood are born.
Thoughts?
Suppose there are mutants in the MCU. We never did learn the origins of Scorch's power on Agents of SHIELD, just some vague talk of him being near a nuclear accident. So, Mutants are beginning to pop up, and this is known to only a select few. Among them are young mutants and good friends Charles Xavier and Erik Lennsher, who strive to keep this knowledge a secret for as long as they can by using means such as memory erasure and technological trickery. (In the comics, the X-Men employed a computer virus that automatically erased any mention, photo or video of the X-Men that was transmitted.)
They also secretly collect young mutants and run a school to prepare them for the outside world. However, these two friends have disagreements that I do not need to detail here. And when the inevitable day comes (post-Avengers 4) when the existence of mutants (otherwise fully-human people born with powers) is differentiated from powers from radiation exposure, genetic manipulation and alien DNA and humanity freaks out (as humanity tends to do), the school splits down the middle and the X-Men and the Brotherhood are born.
Thoughts?
As I said, I think that if you try to shoehorn mutants into the MCU as it exists at this point, then they can't really "own" the bigotry allegory, because the Inhumans have beaten them to it and mutants would just seem like an afterthought. It would be taking the thing that most defines Marvel mutants and making them a secondary expression of it rather than a primary one. And that would weaken it too much. In their own separate movie/TV universe, where the mutants are the minority oppressed for having superpowers, the allegory works much better.
The difference is the new species of humanity angle. The "What did the last Neanderthals think of the first Cro-Magnon?" angle that both Roy Thomas and Chris Claremont used in their Sentinels stories. And suppose the "mutant problem" escalates much faster and with greater consequence than the "alien DNA problem"? After Avengers 4, people just may be sick of people with powers screwing up their lives.
And I'm just spit-balling here. My personal preference by far is still for the X-Men to have their own continuity, but Kevin Feige is reportedly "eager" to get his hands on the X-Men, so I fear an MCU X-Men franchise is inevitable.
And I'm just spit-balling here. My personal preference by far is still for the X-Men to have their own continuity, but Kevin Feige is reportedly "eager" to get his hands on the X-Men, so I fear an MCU X-Men franchise is inevitable.
Except it now appears that Neanderthals and modern humans got along very, very well, considering that Neanderthal DNA has been found in all non-African human populations. https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/neanderthal/
If Avengers 4 features time travel, it could open the door for a soft reboot and introduction of mutants thereafter.
Well, to be fair, you don't actually have to "get along" that well with someone to impregnate them. Interbreeding doesn't preclude significant conflict as well.
Of course not, but the point is that the underlying premise of the argument -- that a new subspecies of humanity will inevitably exterminate a new species -- is paranoid and false. What's more likely to happen in the long term is that the two species will merge into one, so in a sense they both survive. In other words, Xavier is right, while people like Kelly and Trask -- or Magneto -- are wrong.
Granted, it's entirely possible for people like Kelly and Trask to exist anyway, since there's never been a shortage of people who ignore scientific facts that conflict with their agendas and ideologies. But I guess what I'm saying is that I'm just generally sick of the "What happened when the Cro-Magnons met the Neanderthals" trope as a basis for fiction, because it's both overly pessimistic and scientifically false.
^Agreed.
It may be scientifically false, but that doesn't mean people won't believe it. We live in a world where people still believe that the Earth is flat.
^Like I said, my main point was just that I'm sick of hearing that line trotted out in fiction.
Never been a fan of of the Xavier and Magneto were friends storyline. As I've mentioned before, my Magneto is the fascistic Mutant Supremacist. A guy who would use any method to place himself at the top, including exploiting his fellow mutants.
As for the MCU, like in the MU mutants could be a newly emerging phenomenon. Though guys like Xavier and Magneto have been gathering mutants to their causes for years, they've gone unnoticed by the world at large, Including people like Stark and Fury. Perhaps Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver can be revealed as being mutants who's X-genes were kickstarted by the Von Strucker. A big event, like Magneto's attack on Cape Citadel in X-Men # 1 pushes the idea of super-powered mutant to the forefront. Things escalate from there.
Blech, if that's all they have to offer than this buy-out can't happen fast enough.
The preview art looks cool to me, and the idea of them finally getting a do-over for the Dark Phoenix storyline is appealing.
Although the latest allegations against Bryan Singer cast a pall over things. I've always felt one should be able to separate the work from the creator -- heck, if I boycotted everything created by a sexual harasser or predator, I'd probably have to give up Star Trek, Hitchcock movies, Isaac Asimov novels, and a huge portion of Silver and Bronze Age DC Comics (due to Julius Schwartz), at the very least -- but it's easier in retrospect. I'm starting to think that maybe it wouldn't be such a bad idea to let this X-Men universe come to an end and make a clean break from Singer. Although that wouldn't be fair to the creators of X-universe productions that he has little to no involvement with, like New Mutants or Deadpool.
Although the latest allegations against Bryan Singer cast a pall over things. I've always felt one should be able to separate the work from the creator -- heck, if I boycotted everything created by a sexual harasser or predator, I'd probably have to give up Star Trek, Hitchcock movies, Isaac Asimov novels, and a huge portion of Silver and Bronze Age DC Comics (due to Julius Schwartz), at the very least -- but it's easier in retrospect. I'm starting to think that maybe it wouldn't be such a bad idea to let this X-Men universe come to an end and make a clean break from Singer. Although that wouldn't be fair to the creators of X-universe productions that he has little to no involvement with, like New Mutants or Deadpool.