For All Mankind Trailer - Apple TV- SPOILER

[FreezeC77]

Well Ed's not on the ship so a 'heroic sacrifice' seems out of reach... I'm actually wondering if Kelly being thousands of miles away at that crater is going to lead to a dark outcome where by pushing the asteroid into Mars orbit either it crashes or a piece of it crashes and winds up hitting her location or the 'shockwave' from an impact.

So both Ed and her own son (who he sent to retrieve component thru the vent) ended up causing her death.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Well Ed's not on the ship so a 'heroic sacrifice' seems out of reach... I'm actually wondering if Kelly being thousands of miles away at that crater is going to lead to a dark outcome where by pushing the asteroid into Mars orbit either it crashes or a piece of it crashes and winds up hitting her location or the 'shockwave' from an impact.

So both Ed and her own son (who he sent to retrieve component thru the vent) ended up causing her death.

Ooh, that's very dark. I hope not!

 

[trash80]

Yeah a bit dark, what could be dramatic (and darkly humorous) is for Kelly to discover life on Mars and the asteroid wipes it out.

 

[Tuskin38]

According to Wikipedia, next week's episode is called 'Brazil'

 

[Kraig]

According to Wikipedia, next week's episode is called 'Brazil'

Possible location for Margo to make an escape to, and claim asylum from, both the USSR and USA?

 

[Reverend]

Anyone else scratching their heads as to how Margo managed to ditch both of her babysitters after the show went to pains to demonstrate how unshakably omnipresent they both were? Plus you have to assume both countries intelligence agencies have separate remote teams watching her movements like hawks.

Well Ed's not on the ship so a 'heroic sacrifice' seems out of reach... I'm actually wondering if Kelly being thousands of miles away at that crater is going to lead to a dark outcome where by pushing the asteroid into Mars orbit either it crashes or a piece of it crashes and winds up hitting her location or the 'shockwave' from an impact.

So both Ed and her own son (who he sent to retrieve component thru the vent) ended up causing her death.

Aside from being dramatically WAY over the top; the odds of any bolide strike just happening to come down on that particular site (or Happy Valley) is vanishingly small. Mars may not be as big as Earth, but it has about the same surface area as all of Earth's above water landmass combined. That's a loooooot of terrain with just one settlement and one small encampment. You'd struggle to hit either of them on purpose if you were trying, never mind by accident. So a direct, or even local impact is ridiculously unlikely.

As for "shockwaves" . . . the Martian atmosphere is pretty thin. Even a high velocity pressure wave wouldn't really do a lot over long distance. Dust storm at the very worst, and even those are only a short-term hazard in terms of navigation, and maybe comms.

Also keep in mind that Korolev Crater is way up there near the northern ice cap. Goldilocks is presumably coming along the plain of the ecliptic, so to get it to de-orbit over the Martian pole would take way more delta-V than they're talking about (well beyond what Ranger seems even capable of) and along a radically different vector to boot!

 

[Kraig]

Anyone else scratching their heads as to how Margo managed to ditch both of her babysitters after the show went to pains to demonstrate how unshakably omnipresent they both were? Plus you have to assume both countries intelligence agencies have separate remote teams watching her movements like hawks.

One way:
Order room service.
The staff bring it in on a rolling table with table cloth going to the floor.
Tip the staff well, get on the lower part of the table hidden by the cloth.
The staff you tipped, roll you out past your "baby sitters."
Leave the hotel through the staff entrance.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Anyone else scratching their heads as to how Margo managed to ditch both of her babysitters after the show went to pains to demonstrate how unshakably omnipresent they both were? Plus you have to assume both countries intelligence agencies have separate remote teams watching her movements like hawks.

Yeah, I thought that was weird, too, and stood out because the whole time we saw Sergei sitting in the diner, I thought to myself "She can't make it because of her babysitters"...and then she shows up without them. Maybe the reason she was late because she was working on dodging them? But I agree it is weird that the episode went out of its way to show them constantly watching her (to the point that Aleida had to sneak in Sergei's secret message carefully)...and then doesn't bother to show how she gave them slip. It would be one thing if we knew beforehand that Margo had that kind of expertise and it wouldn't be necessary to show it, but we know that Margo doesn't have those skills.

Not the biggest deal but it definitely stood out. Ah, well.

 

[David cgc]

I didn’t see her minders when she was getting her dinner at the hotel, maybe they were only watching her when she was at work.

 

[FPAlpha]

I didn’t see her minders when she was getting her dinner at the hotel, maybe they were only watching her when she was at work.

Seems like a gross lapse in security then if that were the case and i doubt either side is so incompetent in this case. I figure it's another case of "Damn, we need this to happen but we wrote ourselves too well into a corner. Let's hope the audience doesn't pay too close attention or asks too many questions"

I loved the moment Sergei turned right and instantly lit up with freedom, it was very evident that he felt trapped and lost as a high school physics teacher. It was way below his capabilities and felt like a Walter White/Breaking Bad just without the drugs. I just feel sorry for his wife who had no clue he was a deeply unhappy man and also in love with another woman.

I also loved how Aleida put Margo in her place immediately as soon as she made an attempt to continue as friends, she burned that bridge well enough to make the return near impossible maybe even impossible after Sergei revealed the truth to her.

Ed is also just such a jackass - one second he's near panic when he thinks he lost his grandson, moments later he is ready to endanger his life for his own goals and ego.

If they can pull off the heist i can't wait for the moment Dev reveals it to Earth - another gamechanger in development.

 

[Wingcommanderdarkwolf01]

What the fuck Ed?
Using your 8 year old grandson to break in?

 

[Phily B]

Trying to avoid spoilers, but I blasted my way through the first two seasons and it was a blast.

Season 3 seems...off somehow. Like the budget got smaller or the writers changed. And the whole thing with Ed's wife and the young kid is fucking shite, I fast forwarded through their scene in episode 3 I was so bored.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Seems like a gross lapse in security then if that were the case and i doubt either side is so incompetent in this case. I figure it's another case of "Damn, we need this to happen but we wrote ourselves too well into a corner. Let's hope the audience doesn't pay too close attention or asks too many questions"

I think you're exactly right and we're just looking at it too deeply. Like I said, not a big dig deal and I can live with that.

I loved the moment Sergei turned right and instantly lit up with freedom, it was very evident that he felt trapped and lost as a high school physics teacher. It was way below his capabilities and felt like a Walter White/Breaking Bad just without the drugs. I just feel sorry for his wife who had no clue he was a deeply unhappy man and also in love with another woman.

Yeah, that was a deeply cathartic moment for him and I really felt for him then. I didn't think about the Walter White parallel but you're right about that on the surface.

I also loved how Aleida put Margo in her place immediately as soon as she made an attempt to continue as friends, she burned that bridge well enough to make the return near impossible maybe even impossible after Sergei revealed the truth to her.

That was an empowering moment for Aleida and I understood where she was coming from, but it still broke my heart. The Margo/Aleida relationship was so core to this show for the first three seasons and I hate where they are now, even if it's fully understandable and probably forever irrevocable.

Season 3 seems...off somehow. Like the budget got smaller or the writers changed. And the whole thing with Ed's wife and the young kid is fucking shite, I fast forwarded through their scene in episode 3 I was so bored.

I think you'll find all of us hated that plot line. However, it wasn't because of budget or change in writers, rather it was because Ron Moore deliberately doubled down on the very thing fans hated in the second season (when that thread first started). Moore has made it clear he loves going in that direction (going towards what fans hate).

 

[E-DUB]

I think that Aleida might mellow a bit now that she knows more about Margo's motivations. But who are the likeliest casualties this season? Ed (high odds), Margo (medium odds), Miles (medium odds), Dev (low odds).

 

[David cgc]

I think that Aleida might mellow a bit now that she knows more about Margo's motivations.

I'm curious about what Margo actually told Aleida about what happened to her. "I was actively being threatened and violently coerced by the KGB before my finger-quotes 'defection'" is a major detail to leave out, and it sounded from how Aleida reacted that Margo didn't even imply or obliquely refer to the events Sergei told her about.

I assumed there'd been some amount of slippery slope, road-to-hell-paved-with-good-intentions details about how she ended up where she was, but it almost sounds like she just said, "Well, I first met with some Soviets on Apollo/Soyuz and invented the androgynous docking collar so neither country could make jokes about being the top, yada, yada, yada, I was smuggled out of JSC in a delivery truck" and Margo didn't give any context in the part of the scene we didn't see.

 

[Reverend]

I didn’t see her minders when she was getting her dinner at the hotel, maybe they were only watching her when she was at work.

Yeah, they weren't parked outside her room, but you'd have to assume that she at least has a protection detail VERY close by. Also the odds of that room not being bugged by at least three different agencies are very low indeed.

One way:
Order room service.
The staff bring it in on a rolling table with table cloth going to the floor.
Tip the staff well, get on the lower part of the table hidden by the cloth.
The staff you tipped, roll you out past your "baby sitters."
Leave the hotel through the staff entrance.

Did I suggest it was physically impossible? That's not even close to the point. It's about narrative construction; They couldn't think of a clever way to have her slip away, so they just skipped over it and hoped nobody thought about it too hard.
Unless it's addressed in the next episode of course, but even that would be just hand waving it away.

I think you'll find all of us hated that plot line. However, it wasn't because of budget or change in writers, rather it was because Ron Moore deliberately doubled down on the very thing fans hated in the second season (when that thread first started). Moore has made it clear he loves going in that direction (going towards what fans hate).

You'd think he would've learned by now that that's just as stupid as deliberately going for what the fans love. Whether it be pandering or antagonising, that's just not a wise way to construct a story.

 

[Morpheus 02]

What the fuck Ed?
Using your 8 year old grandson to break in?

Well, in Alex's eyes, Ed just won Grandpa of the Year award.... it was that bonding moment that Dev was talking about... and at least, for the short term, no one got physically hurt, so that might be a "good" memory for him... though it might not become "public" for at least 10 years

I think that Aleida might mellow a bit now that she knows more about Margo's motivations. But who are the likeliest casualties this season? Ed (high odds), Margo (medium odds), Miles (medium odds), Dev (low odds).

I think the highest odds are for Eli Hobson.... we had a scene with him trying to work out, his wife saying Eli should have been retired by now.... and the stealing of an asteroid will give him a heart attack -- literally. He is a great guy, but unfortunately, i think will not make it.

Now, with that stealing of the asteroid, i think ALeida will feel betrayed, and jump ship back to NASA... not sure if ELi left a note somewhere or spoke with someone noting how he offered her the chance to come back... so in lieu of Margo Madison's recommendation, that would open the door for ALeida to be head of NASA, and then for season 5 maybe begin to mentor someone who she will hand over the reins to in season 7

On the opposite side, i wonder if Kelly has plot armor to also age out and pass on the legacy to ALex and others

Any hope of Ellen Wilson making an appearance to revive NASA spirits and/or take on Helios?

I wonder what's going to happen to Dani? I mean, that woman deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for being key to 2 major events to reduce international tensions -- The APollo-Soyuz mission, and then rescuing a North Korean (the actual 1st person on Mars).

 

[Phily B]

I think you'll find all of us hated that plot line. However, it wasn't because of budget or change in writers, rather it was because Ron Moore deliberately doubled down on the very thing fans hated in the second season (when that thread first started). Moore has made it clear he loves going in that direction (going towards what fans hate).

I actually almost quit when they landed on Mars and did a WWF slam onto the moon with daft music playing. The tone is all over the place - it started off somber leading in from the disaster in space.

 

[FPAlpha]

I'm curious about what Margo actually told Aleida about what happened to her. "I was actively being threatened and violently coerced by the KGB before my finger-quotes 'defection'" is a major detail to leave out, and it sounded from how Aleida reacted that Margo didn't even imply or obliquely refer to the events Sergei told her about.

I assumed there'd been some amount of slippery slope, road-to-hell-paved-with-good-intentions details about how she ended up where she was, but it almost sounds like she just said, "Well, I first met with some Soviets on Apollo/Soyuz and invented the androgynous docking collar so neither country could make jokes about being the top, yada, yada, yada, I was smuggled out of JSC in a delivery truck" and Margo didn't give any context in the part of the scene we didn't see.

What could she say in her defence though?

Fact is she did give away state secrets, good intentions or not. She was too focused on just the engineering problems and too naive not to think about possible repercussions when there was still time to turn around the ship but she didn't and ruthless people took advantage of her until she was boxed in. We all have our reasons to justify our actions, good or bad, and Margo does too but apart from the treason she hurt Aleida deeply on a personal level. Strictly speaking she could have explained the logical step by step of the events to Aleida but she wouldn't have been able to get through the intense pain she caused Aleida by making her believe she's dead.

It took Sergei to reveal the truth of the events and to put them into context for Aleida for her to even begin to understand, which is why she agreed to smuggle the message. It may be the first step to mending that relationship but she is still a traitor and defector to the world and i have serious doubts that this can somehow be corrected.

 

[David cgc]

Strictly speaking she could have explained the logical step by step of the events to Aleida but she wouldn't have been able to get through the intense pain she caused Aleida by making her believe she's dead.

That was the impression I’d gotten, though, from the episode coming back to the scene on Margo doing route-talk about her last day in America. I mean, how do you get to that point in the story without even hinting at the time the KGB garroted a man in front of you? Did she say anything about why she was in Russia, or was that the beginning of the conversation and all Margo told her was the mechanics of how she avoided the bombing, just starting with, “Well, last time we spoke, you’d clearly figured out I’d given the USSR our design for a Mars ship, so, obviously, that put me in a bit of a pickle.”

For Margo to have, apparently, completely avoided what she actually did and why she did it speaks to her holding some degree of shame or fatalism about her circumstances, and I think in either case, we should’ve seen her lying (on a personal level, to the one person she’d tell, and without a figurative gun in her back on live TV) or covering up how she ended up in the USSR instead of finding it out by implication here.