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For All Mankind Trailer - Apple TV- SPOILER

Well, that was another good episode.

I've only got one real complaint so far, and that is that we're getting so deep into the character stories that the whole exploration of Mars and space is falling by the wayside. Aside from the arrival of the Helios lower decks employees, we haven't even been on the surface of Mars yet, only within the confines of the base.

Lots of interesting stuff happening. The 'black market' angle on Happy Valley is one of those inevitable things you'd expect to see in real life. How Ilya gets the stuff up there seems like a bit of a stretch, but hey, where there's a will, there's a way. If I were Ed or Dani and I knew about it, I'd probably let it go- it's a tremendous pressure relief valve for the lower decks folks getting the shit end of the stick.

Pretty sure this will be Ed's last season on the show. I like the idea of him getting together with the lady Cosmonaut. He's knows he's near the end, and doesn't know what to do. Ed strikes me as a very lonely man in this timeframe- he's a living anachronism hanging on to past glory, but at this point he's as much a cog in the Helios machine as the rest of their employees. Having to transfer the controls because he's unsteady on the stick is the professional death knell for him. The only question left is does he somehow go out with his boots on like Gordo and Tracy, or fade quietly into the sunset? I also got a kick out of how Wayne got him on the weed just like he did for Karen.

Dev and Helios are back! Clever swerve there with the takeover- I like it. Hope we haven't seen the last of Bill- I like his character.

Does the North Korean want his wife smuggled out of N. Korea, or up to Mars? The latter seems like quite a problem to solve.

Margo . . . oh, Margo. Her journey through Dante's Hell seems to be almost at an end. She'll end up having her old job as director of NASA back, except it'll be the Soviet version. It seems inevitable that her old American comrades will eventually learn she survived the JSC bombing, and at some point there will be the inevitable showdown between her and Aleida. I'm interested to see how that all goes down.

Okay, so this season is rock solid so far. Just give us some more SPACE, dammit! Show us some Mars so we don't start thinking Happy Valley is at the bottom of the ocean on Earth or something!
 
Wow, Margo got hit ROUGH! :eek: She didn't deserve that kind of punishment because she never played politics like Ed did for example, she was a pure scientist and engineer and didn't care hat flag was printed on the things she designed.
One thing is for sure - she will get exposed to the americans sooner or later, either because she will appear on the active duty roster of Roskosmos or the CIA will sooner or or later discover that the russians have a new top engineer and when that happens someone will add up and realize Margo technically betrayed the US.

Now onto my F.. Buddy meter which was going wild this episode :lol: Ed and Svetlana + Dale and that female tech ( i'm very bad with names). Dale is sure learning to hustle in a big way, i'm just wondering how that will blow up in everyone's face and it will.

Yeah Ed is done, let's just hope he can override his ego and step down, possibly becoming the first person to retire on Mars ( i just can't see him returning to Earth at this point).


Dev is back and only Hollywood thinks corporation takeovers play out like this, reality is much more boring and heavy on the lawyers.

Great episode moving the characters along.
 
I think Dev is going to coopt Kelly's robotics 'organic sniffer' guys into 'profit sniffers' and use them to search/collect minerals or ores or whatever.

The Russia stuff confused me a bit. At first I thought Margo was being interrogated by the 'rebels', then it turned out to the be the establishment and the 'rebels' are the ones turning it BACK into classic USSR and less freedoms for people since it seemed like the coup won at the end.

Instead of Gorbachev turning it over into more freedom/democracy (in our timeline) he's turning it back towards more of the classic Soviet brand of communism in theirs.
 
Instead of Gorbachev turning it over into more freedom/democracy (in our timeline) he's turning it back towards more of the classic Soviet brand of communism in theirs.

The impression I got was the same as published in the For All Mankind wiki, which reads as follows:

The coup, led by Politburo member Fyodor Korzhenko and hardliners within the Communist Party, was also backed by the police forcesW and the Second Chief DirectorateW of the KGB.[1] They opposed Gorbachev's reform program, were angry at the rise of capitalism within the Soviet Union, and were skeptical of the country's growing ties with the West, especially in the aftermath of the Mars-7 Alliance and the end of the Cold War.[2]

The hardliners dispatched KGB agents, who detained Gorbachev at his holiday estate.[cite] His disappearance led to civilian protests and brutal crackdowns in response by the police.[3] In the days following the coup, the Army initially retook control in some areas and sought to restore Gorbachev to power. However, an agreement was later reached between the KGB and the Army, forcing Gorbachev to step down in a bloodless transfer of power to Korzhenko.[1]

Following the coup, the KGB and hardliners installed their own leadership in key state institutions, including Roscosmos, where Irina Morozova became director, succeeding Lenara Catiche. Margo Madison was asked by Morozova to work under her following the coup.

So Gorbachev isn't the one turning it back into a more communist state, but he's being forced to work with those who want to, and one of them is Margo's new boss.
 
Phenomenal episode, possible one of the show's best.

I loved each of the major arcs of this episode (plus even Ed's minor arc), but I especially loved the Kelly/Aleida team-up. Hell, the Aleida/Bill conversation alone stands with the show's finest work. I've always loved their relationship, an unexpected but rewarding relationship not unlike Karen and Wayne (which also got a nice callback this episode!). The scene at his house really delved into what drives both of them, but more importantly, it forced Aleida to face some hard truths about herself and why she has to do what she's doing now. Even so, I really felt that gut punch when Bill said she should be mission commander now, proving once again how he much he sees her and greatly respects her intelligence. I'm just sorry he's not joining her in her new endeavor. Also remarkable how Aleida confided with Bill about Margo (demonstrating just how close they've become)...or is Margo's betrayal public knowledge? I guess we'll find out soon enough.

That all said, Aleida and Kelly may already have second thoughts about teaming up with Dev (as we all predicted last week). I will say that when I thought they would go to him for funding, I didn't think it would lead to a hostile takeover of Helios itself. Despite all of Dev's big talk about fearing how he might become his father, as soon as he was formally back in charge, he looked like he was back to his old self again, having learned nothing from Karen and his exile. However, I did like how he immediately fired the board members who were against going to Mars in the first place, but who were now reaping the benefits of that success.

As if that wasn't enough, Margo finally got full focus in this one after the quiet board setting of the past two. And oof, she goes through the ringer. I knew things were going to be bad after her arrest, but what she went through was still terrible. She was left chained to a desk during a violent incursion at the prison, watched her own interrogator get murdered, said interrogator's blood remained splattered on her face while left hanging from a chain, all before finally being rescued....and now is charge of Roscosmos! That's some killer whiplash to go along with all of that physical and psychological trauma. I look forward to everyone's reactions when Margo reemerges in that position, especially Aleida's and Ed's.

While Miles' arc was pretty predictable beat for beat (but nonetheless enjoyable), I didn't expect him to find himself allying with Lee Jung-Gil...who apparently wants his wife smuggled to Mars? Not sure how that's going to work, if that's in fact what he meant.

I've only got one real complaint so far, and that is that we're getting so deep into the character stories that the whole exploration of Mars and space is falling by the wayside. Aside from the arrival of the Helios lower decks employees, we haven't even been on the surface of Mars yet, only within the confines of the base.
Yeah, that bothers me, too, which ties in with my other issue: We haven't seen any signs of issues of Ezrah being born in space and then returning to Earth. As I mentioned several times before this season started, that was an aspect I was looking forward to exploring...and then nothing.

Lots of interesting stuff happening. The 'black market' angle on Happy Valley is one of those inevitable things you'd expect to see in real life. How Ilya gets the stuff up there seems like a bit of a stretch, but hey, where there's a will, there's a way. If I were Ed or Dani and I knew about it, I'd probably let it go- it's a tremendous pressure relief valve for the lower decks folks getting the shit end of the stick.
I was going to say that I think only Dani would be okay with it, but considering Ed's weed garden, I think even he would see the need for it as long as no one was at harm or resources taken away from the mission.

Pretty sure this will be Ed's last season on the show. I like the idea of him getting together with the lady Cosmonaut. He's knows he's near the end, and doesn't know what to do. Ed strikes me as a very lonely man in this timeframe- he's a living anachronism hanging on to past glory, but at this point he's as much a cog in the Helios machine as the rest of their employees. Having to transfer the controls because he's unsteady on the stick is the professional death knell for him. The only question left is does he somehow go out with his boots on like Gordo and Tracy, or fade quietly into the sunset? I also got a kick out of how Wayne got him on the weed just like he did for Karen.
I think we all knew this was going to be final hurrah for Ed. Probably for Dani, too. I'm fine with that as long as their concluding arcs are satisfactory. I imagine Ed will die in space while Dani will quietly return to retirement.

Probably Margo's last season as well but who knows how all of that's going to play out.
 
Pretty sure this will be Ed's last season on the show. I like the idea of him getting together with the lady Cosmonaut.

I have to wonder if the show is trying to make a point by having another Baldwin get into a May-December romance (though, to be fair, the last one was more of a Febrary-July fling).
 
Dale and that female tech ( i'm very bad with names). Dale is sure learning to hustle in a big way, i'm just wondering how that will blow up in everyone's face and it will.
If Ed and Svetlana are able to get the asteroid and take it to Mars, then all the techs will finally be doing the jobs they were hired to do and get the paychecks they were promised. What will probably blow up in Dale's face is all the scrip he is depositing will show up and get flagged as untaxed income. He should keep most of what he is given on the side as scrip and not deposit it, and not use any of his pay check as a source of scrip.
 
If Ed and Svetlana are able to get the asteroid and take it to Mars, then all the techs will finally be doing the jobs they were hired to do and get the paychecks they were promised. What will probably blow up in Dale's face is all the scrip he is depositing will show up and get flagged as untaxed income. He should keep most of what he is given on the side as scrip and not deposit it, and not use any of his pay check as a source of scrip.

You have a conspirator's mind... :evil:
 
It does lead to an interesting question of how he’s supposed to “cash out,” unless the idea is that all the scrip is going to offset his paycheck deductions. I suppose if you can deduct scrip from your pay, it stands to reason you can deposit it, as well.
 
It does lead to an interesting question of how he’s supposed to “cash out,” unless the idea is that all the scrip is going to offset his paycheck deductions. I suppose if you can deduct scrip from your pay, it stands to reason you can deposit it, as well.
Find someone on Mars that is need of more scrip, and has a lot of cash on Earth. If you have a trusted person that can access the cash on Earth and give it to Dale's wife, then a swap of scrip for cash can be done. Scrip is company store money that is controlled by the company. The corporation on Mars is using the model of Company (Coal mining and lumber) towns of the late 19th to 20th century. The movie Matewan covers what the companies did to the workers.
 
The impression I got was the same as published in the For All Mankind wiki, which reads as follows:



So Gorbachev isn't the one turning it back into a more communist state, but he's being forced to work with those who want to, and one of them is Margo's new boss.

Oh for sure. I didn't mean to indicate Gorbachev remained in charge, but that instead of him turning it over for the Soviet Union to go "Democratic", he is turning it backwards towards the old style "communism"
 
So were Dev's mass firings at the end supposed to be a Max Goodwin/New Amsterdam good thing or an Elon Musk/Twitter bad thing?

Hard to say, he shares Musks love of innovation and desire to be breaking ground on new technology and changing ways of life but he lacks Musks viciousness and extreme workaholic personality.

It's been presented as a good thing, shareholders under Dev retaking the company back from people who run it as a pure business to return it to its roots as a groundbreaker.

We'll see how that storyline plays out.
 
Good episode. Lot going on to unpack. The Margo storyline was definitely interesting. Putting her into a position at the soviet space program will be interesting to watch. If they put her in charge, having her try to fight the institutional morass of the soviet system will be a challenge for her. Her inevitable meeting of Aleida will be a shitty situation for all involved.

Good to see Kelly and Aleida get their project moving forward, surprised to see Dev involved. The re-takeover of Helios will be interesting to see the repercussions of that. Hoping that it leads to changes and improvements in the treatment and life of the Helios employees on Mars. From what we saw last season, Dev was very concerned about ensuring the safety of his people, hopefully he still has that mentality about treating them right. Now that Kelly is probably on the new board of directors, she will probably try to use that influence to get her dad back to earth.

Mars storyline was interesting. The black-market was predictable, I'm sure that'll blow up in some way though. Not sure what's up with the North Koreans, they're certainly up to something up there. Them allowing themselves to be forced out of their compartment was rather unbelievable, they'd have never allowed an outsider inside unsupervised.
 

AVC: Was it challenging to figure out how to fill the void of Ellen Wilson’s [Jodi Balfour] absence beyond the season-opening montage?

RDM:
Yes, it was. We felt her absence in the show because she was one of the key characters from the beginning. But it also felt like the end of her story to some extent. We might see her again in the series. I’m not saying she can never come back. But once you know she’s been President for two terms, and now she’s an ex-POTUS, it didn’t feel like there was a way to comfortably make her part of the ongoing drama.

I think we have seen former Presidents come back and be involved in peace negotiations or treaties at times. Jimmy Carter comes to mind I believe with Haiti and North Korea in his post-Presidency life.

If there was some type of revolt/attempted take-over of the Moon or Mars by a faction for 'independence' it might make sense to see Ellen return.
 
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