First-Timer's Impressions of Deep Space Nine
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I actually quite like The Storyteller. OK, apart from being about Bajor it's pretty much pure TNG (and not even particularly good TNG), but I'm a real sucker for the Bajor stuff.
Oh, and Jimmy Bob, I salute you for your superhuman ability to avoid spoilers. I think I probably know more about shows I've never seen than you know about DS9. I envy you!
Oh, and Jimmy Bob, I salute you for your superhuman ability to avoid spoilers. I think I probably know more about shows I've never seen than you know about DS9. I envy you!
That one is great. Demented, but great.Oh dear, this doesn't bode well at all.The Storyteller
I loved it.First you enjoyed Move Along Home, and now this? If you like the Ferengi sex-change episode too then there will be no doubt that you have poor taste.
I don't think any of the pilots had a big impact. The only difference with DS9 compared to others is that the DS9 pilot has continuity where the rest really don't.
I suppose that's one of my problems with the episode, the Bajor based stuff is a goldmine of politics and religion and bitterness, and this episode ignored all of the things that made Bajor interesting in order to do an alien of the week type of story.
I'm glad that you abandoned your review thread then.
I decided to go impress the Dr. Who subforum with my poor taste and moved it there.I'm glad that you abandoned your review thread then.
^I'm shocked that anyone could dislike Doctor Who or even call it bad taste. There are two kinds of good sci-fi. Star Trek is one, Doctor Who is another.
Anyway, the Storyteller would have been great had the cloud thing been changed to something a bit more.. tangible, and the setting moved elsewhere from Bajor. As it was, only the character moments were good.
Anyway, the Storyteller would have been great had the cloud thing been changed to something a bit more.. tangible, and the setting moved elsewhere from Bajor. As it was, only the character moments were good.
What do you mean the DS9 pilot has continuity where the rest really don't?
Internally, or with other series? They all seem internally consistent. And externally, TNG had Bones for continuity with TOS, Voyager started at DS9, Enterprise called back to First Contact...
I don't consider Voyager or Enterprise as canon and have surgically removed them from the ST universe I acknowledge.
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Because they're idiots?
Sure hope none of them look in here and see me say that, eheh.
I was joking by the way. Please don't give me an infraction.
*sigh* Was a bit preoccupied with school stuff. Funny, I thought I would be done with season 1 with a bit more than two weeks.
Urm... what was the episode?
Storyteller II
No!
Progress
Yes. That.
Hmm....
Well, Brian Keith is an amazing actor and always a pleasure to watch. And...
There was just too many similarities with Storyteller. Remote isolated part of bajoran world and Nog and Jake having adventures out from early 90's family films.
How much respect does Nog have for his father? It seems to me, based on these last two episodes, that he's somewhat ashamed of his father... or if not ashamed then there is something else dividing involved. Anyway, it seems that Quark's approval really meant a lot for him.
I'm finding current (to the season) bajoran world to be similar to post-soviet eastern europe. The situation itself. Someone has been hiding from the soviet government for years and made his own life, then neo-liberal capitalism wins and the new government takes his land to build a supermarket and throws him to the wild dogs. It's a little bit similar.
Of course as a work of fiction, Bajoran world has similarities with a lot of real world situations I guess. I'm just now seeing post-soviet similarities.
In a way governments are governments... not that much different from each other... especially if you're an anarchist.
I find it interesting that the last two episodes dealt with the remote parts of the bajoran world. Was it an intentional part from the writers to show, that in the formation of the new narrative and the new state, someone always gets the short end of the stick?
Or was it just stalling to figure out how the mainstream bajoran world and it's official narrative will start to look like?
Truth is, in the formation of the new narrative and states for eastern europe, a lot of injustice was involved. The "new" countries ended up just being an experiment for the extreme version of neo-liberalism (after just coming out from another economic fantasy) and turned into mere business projects profiting the few.
I'm just checking how much similarities with real world stuff am I *allowed* to find in this forum.
Wonder if Bajora went through something similar?
Urm... what was the episode?
Storyteller II
No!
Progress
Yes. That.
Hmm....
Well, Brian Keith is an amazing actor and always a pleasure to watch. And...
There was just too many similarities with Storyteller. Remote isolated part of bajoran world and Nog and Jake having adventures out from early 90's family films.
How much respect does Nog have for his father? It seems to me, based on these last two episodes, that he's somewhat ashamed of his father... or if not ashamed then there is something else dividing involved. Anyway, it seems that Quark's approval really meant a lot for him.
I'm finding current (to the season) bajoran world to be similar to post-soviet eastern europe. The situation itself. Someone has been hiding from the soviet government for years and made his own life, then neo-liberal capitalism wins and the new government takes his land to build a supermarket and throws him to the wild dogs. It's a little bit similar.
Of course as a work of fiction, Bajoran world has similarities with a lot of real world situations I guess. I'm just now seeing post-soviet similarities.
In a way governments are governments... not that much different from each other... especially if you're an anarchist.
I find it interesting that the last two episodes dealt with the remote parts of the bajoran world. Was it an intentional part from the writers to show, that in the formation of the new narrative and the new state, someone always gets the short end of the stick?
Or was it just stalling to figure out how the mainstream bajoran world and it's official narrative will start to look like?
Truth is, in the formation of the new narrative and states for eastern europe, a lot of injustice was involved. The "new" countries ended up just being an experiment for the extreme version of neo-liberalism (after just coming out from another economic fantasy) and turned into mere business projects profiting the few.
I'm just checking how much similarities with real world stuff am I *allowed* to find in this forum.
I like Progress. It's not a classic or anything, but it delved into Bajoran politics and society in the right way (unlike the previous episode) and it moved Kira on as a character, and Mullibok building that kiln is one of my earliest memories of DS9. In the grand scheme of things it's not all that important, but it is one of the better episodes in the first season.
One of the good things about season 1 is the Jake/Nog stuff, it really brings home how much these characters grow over the course of the series.
This isn't the time to get into it, but Nog's relationship with Rom is a very important aspect of the character. Actually, it's a very important aspect of both characters, and it arguably affects Quark too, and even...
...the future direction of Ferengi society.
I love Progress, myself. One of the best Kira eps I think, and a good point showing her starting to realize how her life and the world around her is changing.
As for Nog...keep watching. The writers do some surprisingly interesting things with him, Rom, and Quark.
It's "Bajor" and "Bajorans", by the way.
As for Nog...keep watching. The writers do some surprisingly interesting things with him, Rom, and Quark.
It's "Bajor" and "Bajorans", by the way.
I think that the term "Bajora" instead of "Bajorans" was used in TNG and early DS9.
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