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First Season with New FX on HD-DVD

Ssosmcin

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Okay, nobody's going in depth with their reviews on the sets that came out last week, so I thought I'd start something.

Having these on disc, without any signal loss or just plain bad cable is gorgeous. You won't see the real difference between the picture quality of these and the original DVDs until you compare. The image is outstanding. Of course, now I notice things I shouldn't because the limitations of TV technology 40 years ago covered a multitude of sins. But this is happened with a lot of old shows from that time.

How do the new graphics hold up? Hit and miss, really. Some episodes are helped tremendously by the new FX. Tomorrow is Yesterday, for example. The scenes of the Enterprise in the atmosphere and the ship going into sling shot (my God it makes sense now!) were very exciting. Mudd's Women also fared much better with the new asteroid belt and Mudd's new ship. Other episodes made out quite well.

Some, however, didn't. Errand of Mercy is one of these. The new shots of the Klingon bolts hitting the Enterprise look horrible, like something out of Space Rangers. The quick cutting to the newly render D-7 Klingon cruiser feels very out of place, expecially since the timed the firing of their weapon to an explosion of one hitting the Enterprise hull. The sound effects are terrible here (a change from the original prints from VHS), but I'll cover the audio in a moment.

Also, a few times it really felt like the new FX just didn't match the film quality of the original prints. I mean, the new graphics are beautiful, crisp and very clear. Too clear at times. Especially when they go from a CGI crip, clear Enterprise shot into a darker, grainer interior. It's like watching two different shows (like Babylon 5 used to feel). I know there's only so much you can do with 40 year old film prints, but I wish they put a little "aging" into the FX shots. Grain them up a bit and give them film quality instead of video.

The audio. I tell you, I was pretty disappointed they kept the exact same sound mix as the DVDs. Especially since they said (in one of the extras) that they went back to the original masters and cleaned them up. But they used the same, inaccurate audio tracks with the music and sound errors intact. The Menagerie part 2 still has the wrong music on the fade ins (which makes no sense since those same replaced bits are used in other episodes just fine). In Errand of Mercy, the photons hitting the Enterprise used to be the old, high pitched "burp" we always heard. When the DVDs came out, someone decided having the "sliding door" sound mixed in would be great. It's not, it's out of place and distracting. Etc. I really hoped this would be a good opportunity to fix these issues (and others in years 2 and 3), but I guess not.

So, I have to give the season as a whole a 6 out of 10. It's great to see the films remastered into brilliance. However the sound tracks let me down and a number of episodes seem mismatched with the new effects.
 
I got mine earlier today from amazon a couple of days earlier than its supposed arrival date. :) Only had a chance to watch one full ep (WNMHGB) but I did click thru a few others just to see how they looked and the new fx.

The eps looked great and the new fx do look much better on the dvd's. I noticed in WNMHGB the string holding the flying cup which I hadn't really seen before. Seeing the eps on dvd also makes me dissapointed about them not getting to redo the earlier eps... I looked at "Ballance of Terror" and compared to the others was lacking. I guess its only a few eps but still... Hopefully get to go thru the rest soon. I also thought of the newer cg shots one that kinda stood out to me as "cartoony" was the orbital satelites powering in "Operation: Anihilate!"
 
Just wondering if you guys are watching them in HD and with what kind of equipment. I know you mentioned the sound wasn't fixed from earlier problems, but how is the 'sound mix'? It's 5.1 now isn't it.
 
I have mine going through a Toshiba HD-DVD player though a 7.1 Surround home theater system. The "true HD sound" eludes me, but the other setting works and it sounds really great. They went to 5.1 for the previous DVD season sets though.
 
What makes you think Star Trek is the only industry that believes in in technobabble, Professor Moriarty? ;) :p It's Dolby TrueHD, which is now a brand name, audio because it can be advertised that way. I loved how when digital technology first came widespread in the '80s, everything became "digital" on the box.

As stated, the audio is the same except for the theme. The rerecorded opening theme does sound excellent in Dolby 5.1, which is all that I have set up. Very warm and wide.

I watched The Corbomite Maneuver last night and continued to be impressed. It was an episode done early in the remastering and I wanted to see if it was done right. It was. I know the folks at CBS Digital expressed the desire to redo these initial effects but I don't see the need, at least with this episode. It was the best looking version of The Corbomite Maneuver I've ever seen. I was overwhelmed with the vividness of the colors, with the red of Scotty's shirt almost jumping out at me, and the quality of the remastering. The new CGI shots looked wonderful in HD. I did notice the same thing ssosmcin saw, that when you cut back to the 1966 footage, it doesn't seem quite as crisp. I think that's the difference in the grain between film and digital, but it is there. It is certainly a lot less objectionable than the jump from cartoon back to reality that I saw in a lot of the broadcasts from my local TV station. I have yet to see that although I'm sure I will with time. Right now I'm still having fun.
 
Professor Moriarty said:
How can they get "true" HD audio from what was originally a monaural source?! :rolleyes:

By adding new sound effects in surround sound. The dialog and basic sound FX are still mono, but there's been a lot of additions made to the background noise. It's a lot busier now.
 
Outpost4 said:
I watched The Corbomite Maneuver last night and continued to be impressed. It was an episode done early in the remastering and I wanted to see if it was done right. It was. I know the folks at CBS Digital expressed the desire to redo these initial effects but I don't see the need, at least with this episode.

I thought the Corbomite Manuever looked good too but it was done after they had updated/downgraded(more render friendly) the model. Not all of the earlier fx look bad but the difference was noticeable to me, the first ep (in the random order they are airing) with the newer ship was "Trouble with Tribbles".

Oh and one thing, I wish they had been able to clean up (more) the old stock jet launching from "Tomorrow is Yesterday". Either that or add some more grain to the first shot of the Ent up in the clouds so that they blended a little better.

The episodes done with the eariler version:

Ballance of Terror
Miri
The Devil in the Dark
The Naked Time
The City on the Edge of Forever
I, Mudd
Arena
Catspaw
 
Skippy 2k said:
Outpost4 said:
I watched The Corbomite Maneuver last night and continued to be impressed. It was an episode done early in the remastering and I wanted to see if it was done right. It was. I know the folks at CBS Digital expressed the desire to redo these initial effects but I don't see the need, at least with this episode.

I thought the Corbomite Manuever looked good too but it was done after they had updated/downgraded(more render friendly) the model.

I don't think so. Yesterday I went back in Trek Movie's archives to try and find a release schedule for the episodes. Of course I didn't write it down :rolleyes: but Corbomite Maneuver was one of the first 5 episodes broadcast and the first one I could find after The Balance Of Terror that featured a lot of ship CGI work. They didn't update the model until much later.

The Devil In The Dark was another early episode and one I want to watch soon.

PTM, if you read this, you wouldn't happen to have a first season broadcast schedule handy for TOS-R, would you?
 
Do you know how long I clicked "previous" in the archives to step back through their TOS-R stories yesterday, just to get the answer wrong? :p

Thanks, Skippy. I stand corrected.
 
No problem, i've clicked back to look for news articles at TM before too. Its possible the corbomite article was closer due to it repeating near the end of the year.
 
I just watched The Naked Time, one of the first episodes CBS Digital took on, using the old model. OK, I admit: I scanned through Naked Time. I did watch at least half of it. Really. And that's half more than I've watched of this episode for years. :p

You can tell the difference between the two models. The new one definitely looks better. It is a shame they had to start with the old model. I know it's come up here that for some reason they couldn't use it, but the Defiant in ENT's In A Mirror, Darkly looked ten times better. It would have been nice if they could have started with that model. The best CGI of this episode by far are the planet scenes, rushing ever faster across the viewscreen.

One beef: Maybe it's my system but there is a lot of difference between the volume of the episodes and the volume during the menu. The episodes are a lot quieter. I have to turn up the volume a lot when I start playing an episode and turn it down when I stop. Anybody else hearing this?

BTW, the menu is cool, very much like the ones on the regular DVD box set, although covering all of the 16:9 screen. The menu starts out entering a turbolift and the menus take place in the transporter room.
 
One beef: Maybe it's my system but there is a lot of difference between the volume of the episodes and the volume during the menu. The episodes are a lot quieter. I have to turn up the volume a lot when I start playing an episode and turn it down when I stop. Anybody else hearing this?

Yep, the discs default to the "True HD" audio track. Just switch it to the Dolby track and it'll be fine. But you have to do this every time you pop in the disc. Do you have one of the lower priced Hitachi players? I heard the first generation players don't decode that audio, but they finxed it for the other generation players.
 
ssosmcin said:
Professor Moriarty said:
How can they get "true" HD audio from what was originally a monaural source?! :rolleyes:

By adding new sound effects in surround sound. The dialog and basic sound FX are still mono, but there's been a lot of additions made to the background noise. It's a lot busier now.

Thanks, I'm really looking forward to checking this out
 
ssosmcin said:
Professor Moriarty said:
How can they get "true" HD audio from what was originally a monaural source?! :rolleyes:

By adding new sound effects in surround sound. The dialog and basic sound FX are still mono, but there's been a lot of additions made to the background noise. It's a lot busier now.
Oh I know... I'm just being cranky. :p There hasn't been an authentic TOS soundtrack heard since the VHS tapes from the Eighties... they already monkeyed with the audio tracks eight years ago when they started releasing the two-episodes-to-a-box TOS DVDs.
 
Well I for one am happy with the originals sets I purchased cheap a few weeks ago. When these come down to the $30 I may buy them. I have seen many comparison shots and there not much of a difference (besides the new effects) to warrant repurchasing.
 
Dar70 said:
Well I for one am happy with the originals sets I purchased cheap a few weeks ago. When these come down to the $30 I may buy them. I have seen many comparison shots and there not much of a difference (besides the new effects) to warrant repurchasing.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be happy with your DVDs, but the new versions are simply beautiful. The colors are far richer and more realistic and the image is generally much sharper and cleaner.

Well worth it, although obviously your mileage may vary.
 
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