i recall Lower Decks and Prodigy took a few episodes, until i was hooked.
From reviews i'm seeing, SFA seems to be the same. I can't wait for this much talked about episode five
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From reviews i'm seeing, SFA seems to be the same. I can't wait for this much talked about episode five
There was one named Alexander alreadyI’m excited!!! Just a bit nervous from what we’ve seen about the characters so far (a Klingon named Jay’den??) but I’m hopeful nonetheless
Yes, several reviews mentioned that, but none of them specified which typeMaybe I’ve missed someone mentioning this elsewhere, but this review, by the way, reveals what we’ve been wondering about earlier: Jay-Den is described as “queer” (which of course might not mean he’s gay; could also be bi, pan, ace or non-binary, I guess). You just know that certain parts of the fandom will explode with bigotry upon learning this, but I think it’s cool that the show is doing it. I don’t envy the people who’ll have to manage online spaces where these kind of bigots will spew their hatred.
Wait!
His name could mean defeated attaction (jey Den) or intense attraction (jay' Den)
Discovery 84% critics, 34% fans
Picard 89% critics, 57% fans
Lower Decks 93% critics, 72% fans
Prodigy 97% critics, 87% fans
SNW 94% critics, 70% fans
Modern Star Trek is often accused of being "review bombed" but it seems like the fan ratings reflect the quality of the shows pretty well, while the critics just give every show positive reviews.
Academy currently has an 83%. A score that's both unsurprising and unreliable. Worth noting that it's also the lowest critics score of any show yet.
Picard 89% critics, 57% fans
Lower Decks 93% critics, 72% fans
Prodigy 97% critics, 87% fans
SNW 94% critics, 70% fans
Modern Star Trek is often accused of being "review bombed" but it seems like the fan ratings reflect the quality of the shows pretty well, while the critics just give every show positive reviews.
Academy currently has an 83%. A score that's both unsurprising and unreliable. Worth noting that it's also the lowest critics score of any show yet.
Actually, what you mean is that it matches your opinion. I mean, I know what my opinion is, and that looks like review bombing to me. Even Picard (easily the worst of the modern era), as bad as it was for three seasons, was better than 57% (I'd score it around 65%). Please don't attempt to speak for all fans.
Critics are never a good metric for the quality of a thing as they're heavily disconnected from what non-professional reviewers usually like.
Review Bombs are usually countered by people on the other side Review Pumping.
No. People go online to bitch.
Okay, and? That happened consistently to the shows after TNG. It's hardly a new trend for the franchise.
Negativity bias is a real thing. Love of a franchise replaced by hatred it seems.
Fire Berman! Show Braga the door! The Killer Bs destroy everything they touch!!11!Okay, and? That happened consistently to the shows after TNG. It's hardly a new trend for the franchise.
Very encouraging review with some rather interesting bits in there! This is the first time someone mentions how good the music is throughout the first six episodes. Apparently it‘s very evocative of the music from the TOS movies without lifting any cues directly.
And they mention episode lengths. We heard that episode one is 75 minutes, but they mention here that actually all the other episodes clock in around 60 minutes. Which is interesting, because they rarely took advantage of the possibility of longer runtimes on the earlier Kurtzman Trek shows.
Apparently director Jonathan Frakes‘ episode is not among those first six.
As a more general observation it‘s interesting to note that many of these YouTube reviewers were going into the show almost dreading it, expecting to not like it, but were surprised by how much they ended up liking it.
Really?! Oh, okay. I genuinely haven‘t seen this mentioned anywhere else. Kind of surprising (but also satisfying) to see that no-one‘s making a bigger deal of it (yet).Yes, several reviews mentioned that, but none of them specified which type
On an unrelated note, I heard on another review that one of the cadets is apparently going to be a Cheron (the species from “Let That Be Our Last Battlefield”), which I think is cool.
I remember Frakes saying in an Interview that he is directing the penultimate episode of the season.
1. Hey, Matrix fans! Looky looky! It's Trini... Oh, sorry she's already dead.
2. Hey, 40 year old bald dudes, this one's for you! He's Zen and can make a force field like a wall like a real fucking wizard and... Nope, he had a mental breakdown and turned into a wimpy melted snowflake cuck.
3. Hey parent trap fans have we got a twin dilemma for you! The central mystery to why the hero twins were separated is solved by the dude to blame, the main character who just resorts to remembering to tell people the shit he never forgot after 6 episodes of keeping mum about very important things.
5. Hey Rise of Skywalker fans, remember how we found out that there has only ever been one body hoping Sith, and it's always been Palpatine for the last 40 thousand years? Imagine that just for now, that he's a sexy naked asian guy, Jason from The Good place, washing his 8 pack of abs in a waterfall slowly.
Not sure what you are talking about, they went after secret invasion just as hard. I would also disagree, I think Echo was by far the worst of the bunch.
Look at the engagement drop off.
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Sometimes the master kills the apprentice.
I think in general Discovery is probably a better binge watch than a week to week watch overall and so the audience and critics are coming from different places with their first watch.
I feel genuinely bad writing this. It's not a bash, nor will it ever turn into a bash. It's just self-awareness....
But, after watching the trailers, reading articles, etc. I feel as though this is the first Star Trek production in franchise history that simply isn't for me. Even LD, which it took time to realize wasn't my cup of tea, was a show I watched from the beginning.
After SNW S3 and Section 31, I'm just at a spot where I sadly won't be giving this a shot. I will certainly be monitoring the reactions to the first season, and if it looks like it was well-received, I may very well go back and give it a whirl. But for now, my Paramount+ subscription is actually cancelled and I'll be on the sidelines for this one.
Looking forward to seeing what you all think of it as the season progresses!
But, after watching the trailers, reading articles, etc. I feel as though this is the first Star Trek production in franchise history that simply isn't for me. Even LD, which it took time to realize wasn't my cup of tea, was a show I watched from the beginning.
After SNW S3 and Section 31, I'm just at a spot where I sadly won't be giving this a shot. I will certainly be monitoring the reactions to the first season, and if it looks like it was well-received, I may very well go back and give it a whirl. But for now, my Paramount+ subscription is actually cancelled and I'll be on the sidelines for this one.
Looking forward to seeing what you all think of it as the season progresses!
For what it's worth, most of the gushing reviews that I've seen have started off with, "I was really dreading watching this show..."
It's effectively like running a government with the mentality you only need 25% of the vote, call an election, then get gobsmacked that you need to win over near 50%.
Your average critic is going to be a generalist. Their target audience just isn't the existing Star Trek fanbase, and they have tons of new content to cover. Most new content wouldn't have gotten off the ground if it was rotten to the core. Instead, most streaming series tend to start off okay, then collapse later on.
Modern Star Trek has a targeting and a budget problem.
During the Berman era, Star Trek was on broadcast TV with the goal of producing enough episodes that could be stripped in syndication. So airable at 6pm and without too much continuity that a casual viewer could end up lost if watching not just a random episode, but a random episode in progress. 22-26 episodes a season, which meant quantity over quality and the need to make the schedule even if a stinker was in the pipeline. The "airable at 6pm" part inherently came with some standards and practices restrictions. And the "broadcast" part meant it had to appeal to a broad audience around the country, not just a deeply concentrated audience is say New York and California. So you have another inherent limitation to not get too political to the point of becoming partisan.
Berman era also had the goal to both appeal to the fanbase while being broadly acceptable to the casual viewer. The fanbase provided all the auxiliary merchandising revenue that allowed the franchise to
punch above its middle tier level and net Paramount even more profit.
And, yes, there was a gradual viewership drop off. But much of this was due to expanding television options in the US as cable took off, and UPN limiting Star Trek from pursuing serialization when that was starting to take off.
Whereas now you have the Kurtzman era. CBS All Access / Paramount+ kinda is the UPN of the 21st century. The TV shows are high tier budget for streaming, only below HBO / Amazon / Netflix flagship levels. But the budgets just don't match the audience.
The Kurtzman era is divisive towards the audience. Too many existing fanbase fans have been alienated without an in-kind greater replacement from a new audience. Merch sales are definitely off. The strategy just isn't working. While some Kurtzman fans would like to just gaslight others over this, it can be objectively observed.
Just imagine how insanely profitable TNG was for Paramount at its peak... The Berman era ran from when the Fox network was just one night a week, cable TV was in its initial buildout, and VCRs were still a new thing to the multichannel cable / satellite era.
Regarding ENT season 4... was it still profitable for Paramount more broadly at the time (in the UK, it aired on Sky One, which was known then for paying good money to get the rights for American TV shows away from the BBC/Channel 4 etc)? For UPN? Wikipedia claims that when ENT was canceled, it was still UPN's most highly rated show, and ENT did have the noticeable budget cut. Scott Bakula has apparently claimed that had ENT been syndicated, it could have easily gone the full seven years.
The second half of the Berman era was really marred by UPN's format meddling. And it didn't likely help that in the end rumors hold Les Moonves had multiple clashes with Rick Berman over trying to fire Scott Bakula, and Berman held his ground, contributing to the cancelation.
I'm holding off on giving a take until the fifth episode. I want to see something first. Then I'll give my take on the first five episodes in one go. That's my plan.
Plus, regardless of wherever I end up landing, I don't feel like dealing with the muck every week. Been there, done that.
