First pic of *edit* full-sized toy props....

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Star Trek was never seriously meant to be kids fare.

Oh, on many an occasion it lowered itself to that level, but truly, only geeky kids like myself (and those that post with me around here) ever really liked it.

What the current production crew is hoping for isn't going to happen...

More production money for the "Iron Man" and "Transformers" franchises, then. Cartoons and fan films for us.

You know, when something like "Star Trek" just doesn't change for four decades it de facto stops being entertainment for grownups because most of the grownups move on. Everyone's taste changes and evolves. Well, almost everyone.

Just because adults may watch an unambitious fantasy show doesn't make it challenging or intriguing entertainment on an adult level. Moore's "Battlestar Galactica" is adult science fiction, in 2009; the "Stargate" franchise is pitched at a childhood or adolescent mentality, regardless of the number of superannuated viewers.

 

[Klingon Empire]

I may be 27 years old, but I still buy this stuff because I don'y want to spend $1000 dollars on a prop.

 

[Captain Robert April]

From Star Trek, though Galaxy Quest, to Abrams Trek...

If anyone really wants to look at poo, it's in here, but the comparison breaks down at this point

(Explanation of the last one: I happen to like the Protector, and Galaxy Quest in general; also, the comparison breaks down at this point, because the new ship is nothing but crap in the rough shape of the Enterprise, with no apparent influence from the Protector at all, unlike the props, so...)

 

[Gepard]

Interesting that the Nebulizer looks more like the classic phaser than the Trek Xi phaser does.

I'm not seeing the vox or surface mapper influences in the new communicator and tricorder respectively. They look nothing alike. And I'm sure as frak not seeing poo in the new Enterprise.

In fact, I didn't want to see poo at all.

 

[Klingon Empire]

Interesting that the Nebulizer looks more like the classic phaser than the Trek Xi phaser does.

I'm not seeing the vox or surface mapper influences in the new communicator and tricorder respectively. They look nothing alike. And I'm sure as frak not seeing poo in the new Enterprise.

In fact, I didn't want to see poo at all.

I agree. I went and at the poo. Yeah, I see what you mean about the Nebulizer.

I think I want that Phaser and Communicator now.

 

[DaveyNY]

Star Trek was never seriously meant to be kids fare.

Oh, on many an occasion it lowered itself to that level, but truly, only geeky kids like myself (and those that post with me around here) ever really liked it.

So it only on "many an occasion" looked, acted and was marketed like kid's fare? You know what they say about the duck...

The Merchandising WAS geared toward kids, but not the show, not really.
Back then there was extremely little merchandising from TV shows that was geared toward adults, 90% plus was aimed at kids.

Also, I found that as a kid in the late 60's and early 70's, wanting the Star Trek stuff and expressing that to most of my friends, made them think that I was weird and/or stupid.

It wasn't till I went to the first couple of Trek Conventions in NYC that I found peers who liked it as much as I did and didn't ridicule me.
It was also there that I met many, many adults that liked Trek and were buying up the little bit of stuff that was available.

BTW: That particular toy was really cool for it's time, but didn't appear on the market untill Trek had been off the air for almost a decade. By then, it wasn't kids, but College Students that were the mainstay of Trek Fandom and merchandise.

 

[ST-One]

Interesting that the Nebulizer looks more like the classic phaser than the Trek Xi phaser does.

And if you ask me, the Nebulizer (is that what it's called didn't know that) looks much better than the two Trek weapons.

I'm not seeing the vox or surface mapper influences in the new communicator and tricorder respectively. They look nothing alike. And I'm sure as frak not seeing poo in the new Enterprise.

Well, to be honest, I too see something of an Interstellar Vox in the new Communicator - but I can't say that I find that negative at all.

The new Tricorder is as close as it gets to the original design without actually using the original design.

 

[btflash]

i would have been pleased with this. http://images.google.com/imgres?img...q=star+trek+3+phaser&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&sa=N

at least this was in keeping with the original design.

 

[ST-One]

i would have been pleased with this. http://images.google.com/imgres?img...q=star+trek+3+phaser&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&sa=N

at least this was in keeping with the original design.

While we are at showing what we would have liked: This was created by a very talented guy named Aethernaut at SciFi-Meshes.com...

I would prefer this to the new phaser ...

 

[btflash]

i would have been pleased with this. http://images.google.com/imgres?img...q=star+trek+3+phaser&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&sa=N

at least this was in keeping with the original design.

While we are at showing what we would have liked: This was created by a very talented guy named Aethernaut at SciFi-Meshes.com...

I would prefer this to the new phaser ...

certainly an improvement over the abrams phaser . i think it could be a bit more streamlined though.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Damn that is a great prop page. Best image of a TWOK communicator I've seen. Thanks for the link!

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

You know, when something like "Star Trek" just doesn't change for four decades it de facto stops being entertainment for grownups because most of the grownups move on.

Let's not pretend that Star Trek remained a constant during that time period. It became gradually shittier over those four decades.

There's an argument to be made that simply making it unshitty again might restore it to its former glory.

Although the radical changes are a probably a better move. Greater chance to make a splash, along with a greater chance to crash and burn.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Let's not pretend that Star Trek remained a constant during that time period. It became gradually shittier over those four decades.

Mainly as a result of repeating the same moves over and over again, with minimal adjustments in style, in the apparent belief that form would satisfy the fan base where content was uneven or missing.

And you know, they were only half wrong - they got away with that for large chunks of two or three tv series.

'Cause content is hard, but form and formula can be honed to consistency if nothing else. And for about three or four million devoted Trek fans who've hung in for decades it will satisfy for an hour, even if it's not very filling.

You can do the experiment - heck you could do it with your left hand, but it would bore you to try: write a page and a half of a script in which any version of the Enterprise (or the Defiant, if you like DS9) from 1988 onward encounters another vessel in deep space. Clear your mind and it's automatic writing, a Ouija board to the great Trek Beyond, and doesn't require any thought whatever to replicate what you'd see in much of TNG, DS9, "Voyager," "Enterprise..."

IMAO, underlying a good deal of the anxiety and anger about Abrams changing the look and style of Trek a little bit is the intuition that the look and style are all that there is left of Trek now to make it distinctive.

"Star Trek" has become macaroni and cheese - you tend to like Mama's "recipe" best, even if it's Kraft out of the box.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

"Star Trek" has become macaroni and cheese - you tend to like Mama's "recipe" best, even if it's Kraft out of the box.

To borrow your analogy, Star Trek started out as Kraft macaroni and cheese.

Then they gradually started leaving out the packet of cheese powder.

Then they left out the butter.

Then the milk.

And all we had left was a bowl of wet noodles.

But we were supposed to keep eating it anyway.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

To borrow your analogy, Star Trek started out as Kraft macaroni and cheese.

Oh, I object to that. There was a day when the cheese was hand grated and the milk was fresh and the producers were pretty attentive to the paprika.

Of course, you weren't walking yet but you've seen the reruns.

 

[trekkerguy]

Unlike TRIX, Trek Is Not For Kids.

That is indeed sad.

No. I did not like the look of the supposed "Enterprise" In that movie. It pissed me off that they would try and make a parody of trek.

You take this way to seriously.

And that is what they were doing, parodying trek. Do you want that?

The best Trek in a long long time WAS that parody.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

To borrow your analogy, Star Trek started out as Kraft macaroni and cheese.

Oh, I object to that. There was a day when the cheese was hand grated and the milk was fresh and the producers were pretty attentive to the paprika.

Of course, you weren't walking yet but you've seen the reruns.

Why would you assume how old I am?

And I meant it as a great compliment. I love Kraft macaroni and cheese.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Why would you assume how old I am?

Your boundless energy, your joie de vivre...but most of all, your complete lack of any hint of skepticism about anything.

Actually, I grew up on Kraft macaroni and cheese and loved it - my wife introduced me to the home-made-from-scratch version. The experience was so profound that it probably accounts for the entirety of my eagerness to embrace novelty so late in life.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Why would you assume how old I am?

Your boundless energy, your joie de vivre...but most of all, your complete lack of any hint of skepticism about anything.

In that case, I'm with you.

Actually, I grew up on Kraft macaroni and cheese and loved it - my wife introduced me to the home-made from scratch variety. The experience was so profound that it probably accounts for the entirety of my eagerness to embrace novelty.

Well, that's one more thing to hold against my ex-wife, I suppose, for not doing the same.

No worries. I got all the Kraft macaroni and cheese in the divorce.

 

[shapeshifter]

I may be 27 years old, but I still buy this stuff because I don'y want to spend $1000 dollars on a prop.

Or $0500.00 on the perfect replica collectible.