Yeah. A few of those movies...yeesh.
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Yeah. A few of those movies...yeesh.
LOL. Yes, I guess that's true enough. I guess because up to now I've never seen a Star Trek on screen that I actively did not like. TATV really pushed the envelope (and really, the only reason I can even watch it now is because of the Enterprise relaunch novels that retconned those events--one of the very few times that has happened in a tie in work--but of course since Enterprise was out of production by then and how unpopular TATV turned out to be I guess the TPBs made an exception in that case, and technically it wasn't really a retcon, the fact that it was a holodeck simulation allowed the novel to say it was just an incorrect historical record...ok, I really got off the rails there
). So I almost felt a need to apologize to the Star Trek 'universe' for finally actually not like something they put out. I know it's silly when I think about it. I mean, I even liked Nemesis so it takes a lot to push me over the edge LOL.I guess I missed that line. Still, I really didn't care for that entire plot element so it probably wouldn't have helped me see it in a better light regardless. I find it difficult to believe in the 24th century that her mental illness could not have been better treated, that it could get to the point they'd have to lock her in her room to keep her from harming herself. I think they forget sometimes they are not in the present. And the switching back and forth drove me crazy. There'd be an intense action sequence then----stop, let's stop everything to go back to a long repressed memory from childhood. To be fair, a lot of shows do this today. Just not my cup of tea, if you'll forgive the pun
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Sure, it can be treated ... but what if the patient refuses to take her meds?
It happens even today.
I just have a real hard time buying that in the 24th century they'd have to resort to locking someone in their room to keep them from harming themselves. It might not even be medication. There might be other treatment options, ways to help her, or even just ways to prevent her from harming herself. Locking someone up for something like that just seems very backwards for what we are told is a more enlightened 24th century.
That was just one of many, many things I disliked about season 2 (I hesitate to go as far as to say hate, be really disliked, yeah). By the middle of the season I almost stopped watching it altogether to be honest. I just kept thinking, this is awful. But I decided no, I'll see it through. I mean, I'm glad I did. I hate leaving things unfinished in general. But I just have no desire to ever watch it again.
When I get a chance I'll have to see what others are saying about season 2. I honestly have no idea how much it was liked or not (for personal reasons I haven't been on trekbbs much since April). I suppose that's good in a way because my opinion is completely un-influenced from other opinions. But I am curious now.
It was temporary, as noted in the dialog, until Picard Senior could deal with it.
And, I still struggle with the idea of forcing treatment on someone. I get it, it's the 24th century but mental health has not been the strongest point of Trek. Like, look at TOS, and the use of hospitals in DS9. It's not always my idea of ideal.
Ah, but remember, we are talking about a man who hated modern technology and modern ways so much he imprinted this hatred onto his older son, resulting in him and his own son getting killed in a preventable fire because he refused to employ modern firefighting and fire detection technologies.
Well like I said there were many things I disliked about it. That was just one of many. The fact that almost the entire season was in the near future. The Borg angle. The Soong angle. Almost none of it resonated with me.
Not "they" in general, the choice of one man.
Figured it was time to give some thoughts about Season 3.
Two words--much better. I'm glad I decided to give season 3 after the huge disappointment of season 2 (in my humble opinion of course). I noted before, season 2 Picard is the first Star Trek production that I have no desire to buy on hard copy, or even ever watch again. I barely managed to force myself to watch it through, that's how low my opinion of it was.
Season 3--just the opposite thus far. I find myself excited to watch the next episode and I am actually up to date on Picard right now. Honestly I was thinking it does was a follow up to TNG should have done all along. TNG was never just about Captain Picard. It had a cast for a reason, and they all played an important part. IMO Picard should have been including more TNG regulars all along. Not every episode has to have the entire cast. And it's important to include new cast members as well, such as Raffi and Captain Shaw. There's a good mix of familiar cast and new cast in season 3.
One idea the show did that is similar to the relaunch novels that take place after Nemesis is Picard and Crusher having a son together, though Jack's backstory is much different than Rene's from the novels. I do like Jack as a character.
I also like the Changeling threat. I was thinking this is the first time TNG are really confronting the Founders/Changelings. We only got brief mentions in Insurrection and Nemesis of the Dominion so it's nice to see them tackle the threat head on.
I also like Dr. Shaw. Initially I thought he was a pompous ass. But he's a much deeper character than I first thought and while it took him some time to join forces with Picard and Riker, he's not an idiot and once he saw the writing on the wall he adjusted well.
I do have a few complaints. The conflict between Picard and Riker while in the nebular seemed forced and just wrong, for lack of a better word. And they quietly dropped that once they escaped, probably for good reason. Geordi's reluctance to help also was off. Perhaps we'll learn more about that in coming episodes, but his motivations and distrust of Picard and Riker didn't seem quite right.
And for once, I'd love to see Starfleet backing up our heros, instead of them having to go rogue basically once again. Yes, they are really fighting for Starfleet and will likely be exonerated of any wrongdoing once everything is resolved. But it'd be nice for them to face a threat with Starfleet behind them, instead of trying to take them down, whatever the reasons for that are.
I'm also not sold...yet....on the Data resurrection. But it's early yet so we'll see how that plays out. I have to admit being a bit moved on him recognizing Geordi first and Geordi's reaction. I thought that was spot on. In TNG we know Geordi and Data were best friends. Data recognizing Geordi first did feel right, and how, for a moment, we saw Data as he once was. So kudos to the team for that detail.
I'm glad season 3 is turning out much better, again IMO. I'm hoping the rest of the season plays out as well as the first half.
Two words--much better. I'm glad I decided to give season 3 after the huge disappointment of season 2 (in my humble opinion of course). I noted before, season 2 Picard is the first Star Trek production that I have no desire to buy on hard copy, or even ever watch again. I barely managed to force myself to watch it through, that's how low my opinion of it was.
Season 3--just the opposite thus far. I find myself excited to watch the next episode and I am actually up to date on Picard right now. Honestly I was thinking it does was a follow up to TNG should have done all along. TNG was never just about Captain Picard. It had a cast for a reason, and they all played an important part. IMO Picard should have been including more TNG regulars all along. Not every episode has to have the entire cast. And it's important to include new cast members as well, such as Raffi and Captain Shaw. There's a good mix of familiar cast and new cast in season 3.
One idea the show did that is similar to the relaunch novels that take place after Nemesis is Picard and Crusher having a son together, though Jack's backstory is much different than Rene's from the novels. I do like Jack as a character.
I also like the Changeling threat. I was thinking this is the first time TNG are really confronting the Founders/Changelings. We only got brief mentions in Insurrection and Nemesis of the Dominion so it's nice to see them tackle the threat head on.
I also like Dr. Shaw. Initially I thought he was a pompous ass. But he's a much deeper character than I first thought and while it took him some time to join forces with Picard and Riker, he's not an idiot and once he saw the writing on the wall he adjusted well.
I do have a few complaints. The conflict between Picard and Riker while in the nebular seemed forced and just wrong, for lack of a better word. And they quietly dropped that once they escaped, probably for good reason. Geordi's reluctance to help also was off. Perhaps we'll learn more about that in coming episodes, but his motivations and distrust of Picard and Riker didn't seem quite right.
And for once, I'd love to see Starfleet backing up our heros, instead of them having to go rogue basically once again. Yes, they are really fighting for Starfleet and will likely be exonerated of any wrongdoing once everything is resolved. But it'd be nice for them to face a threat with Starfleet behind them, instead of trying to take them down, whatever the reasons for that are.
I'm also not sold...yet....on the Data resurrection. But it's early yet so we'll see how that plays out. I have to admit being a bit moved on him recognizing Geordi first and Geordi's reaction. I thought that was spot on. In TNG we know Geordi and Data were best friends. Data recognizing Geordi first did feel right, and how, for a moment, we saw Data as he once was. So kudos to the team for that detail.
I'm glad season 3 is turning out much better, again IMO. I'm hoping the rest of the season plays out as well as the first half.
