First five scripts of series eight leaked online
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Huh. I can easily see Capaldi becoming the Colin Baker of the new series, and probably always chart very low on the best doctor polls.
I think the performance will soften it.
Just wait till you get to the last ten pages or so - I can see what it's trying to do, but fandom is not going to see it, they'll meltdown like nothing seen before, and they'll be right- that is not just jumping the shark, it's ballroom dancing over it in a tutu.
I see what it's trying to do, too. What it does isn't done badly; it fits the "dark fairy tale" ethos of the Moffat era. But it can't be taken in a vacuum. Taken on its own, in a vacuum, it might even be effectively done. But it can't be taken in a vacuum. It has wider implications for, really, the entire history of the program. It answers questions (or at least starts answering them) that should never have been answered, and it opens the door to more exploration of those questions. The Doctor's history turns on itself like the Worm Ouroborous.
As for the story "Listen" tells, I thought it started out pretty well. Frankly, it was creepy as hell until about page 25. Then it goes downhill once it turns timey-wimey because suddenly we're in an entirely different story.
There's also something on page 35 that really annoyed me. It was amusing and creative when it happened to Amy. Now, it's just derivative.
Wait, the fairy tale style hasn't gone yet. NOOOOOOOOO! 
Wait, the fairy tale style hasn't gone yet. NOOOOOOOOO!
Oh, no. Oh no, oh no.
Another reaction to "Listen" -- I'm having a difficult time imagining how a post-Moffat/post-Clara Doctor Who will even function. Moffat is making his work and his newest companion the keystone to the whole mythology, and I don't know how the series copes in the absence or even recovers from that.
It's just awful. Moffat has decided that he has to lay claim ownership of every aspect of the Doctor's story; even those bits that until now have pretty much universally been agreed should never be touched. Maybe the BBC will finally get that Young Doctor Who series that RTD refused to make after all.
Wait, the fairy tale style hasn't gone yet. NOOOOOOOOO!
Oh, no. Oh no, oh no.
Another reaction to "Listen" -- I'm having a difficult time imagining how a post-Moffat/post-Clara Doctor Who will even function. Moffat is making his work and his newest companion the keystone to the whole mythology, and I don't know how the series copes in the absence or even recovers from that.
That's the problem with Moffat, he doesn't think ahead he instead blunders in with any old bullshit. This is certainly to become the Colin baker era of the revived series, Moffat and Capaldi will result in the end of the bloody show. Isn't it soon after the Five Doctors and the remaining Davison era classic Who started going downhill, because I can see it getting worse now the big anniversary has happened and Moffat is taking too many absurd risks.
I know. That's the only logical outcome to this. Clara is the catalyst for the change in the Doctor, but how does he get from there to becoming the Doctor? This is like the scene in Batman Begins where Bruce has fallen down the well. And someone is going to want to see where this scene leads. Writers like to play with toys, and Moffat just put a very big, very shiny, and very new toy on the playground.
I liked Colin Baker, so the comparison should be good, but I'm getting worried by all this talk about the new episodes. I haven't been able to find the scripts (my google-fu is weak) but just based on what people are saying here, I'm definitely starting to wonder about the upcoming series 8. Hopefully it won't be as bad as people are thinking, and I've liked all the modern Doctors so its hard to imagine Capaldi's being that bad. Still, this is not a good way to get excited for the upcoming series.
Agreed.
I for one am sick and tired of this Moffat bullshit, why can't he just good adventures of the doctor and villains instead of retconning everything and making everything a big event which could destroy the universe?
I suspect these will have been long since pulled, but if somebody could very kindly point me in the right direction. Thanks.
Then I can agonise over whether or not to read.
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Then I can agonise over whether or not to read.
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Mister Fandango
Fleet Captain
Yeah! We should go back to the RTD era where that kind of shit didn't happen! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
That said, I'm not sure why you people are getting riled up over the Clara thing. It's just a continuation of an event that already happened; it'd be more ridiculous if it never came up again considering exactly what happened.
I'm still going to wait to see how it plays out on screen. A lot of people thought that the script for The Eleventh Hour just felt like Tennant Redux, and then once Smith breathed life into those lines, we realized just how amazing Smith was going to be.
It's not, you know.
She's not going into his timeline to prevent someone changing it. She's being shown to be the reason why that particular Gallifreyan ended up becoming the Doctor. This is Moffat making it so the series would never have existed without his creation, so to speak, and is about as arrogant as it gets.
