Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by Ragitsu, Jun 26, 2022.
You name it and someone here will come up with it.
I normally enjoy "First Contact", but yeah. Not sure whether it was rape or not, but it was creepy as hell.
It is in the context of the present discussion that I am curious about the "nonsense".
I wonder what classification that act would fall under (concerning US law, anyhow).
I'm curious what is your motivation for bringing this up at all. It's one event that took place on a TV show 31 years ago. We all know the episode in question. Nothing can be done to change it. Is this just a social justice windmill to tilt at?
So, the "Lilith bags Riker" scene wasn't part of our draft nor, IIRC, was it in the Moore/Menosky version. I'm pretty sure that Michael Piller came up with it.
We all were aware of the parallels in the story with flying saucer contactee stories and worked little references in, here and there, but I think Piller was the only writer who really took the license to really go for the humor that everyone knew was inherent in it. Yeah, the scene is written and played for laughs.
I've no observation about the rest of this, but I do know that this scene is how most people I've encountered over the years remember the episode.
"Which one is 'First Contact?'"
"You know, the one where Lilith bags Riker in the alien hospital."
"Oh, yeah, I remember that one."
As far as I am aware, no one has called for the abolishment of current Star Trek or for this thread's episode (i.e., "First Contact) to be removed/censored.
I dunno if it's rape or not, but it is definitely sexual coercion.
Maybe they should retitle it "Earth Guys are Easy".
It's funny how certain people say much when they think they're saying little.
It's a commutative property of conversation.
Why are we talking about anything here, in that case? Should we ask the admin to close all the forums except for shows that are actively airing episodes that week?
Not going to deny that there might have been a bit of coercion or exploitation of Riker going on in this episode, but also, not having seen the episode in a long time, I don't recall Riker especially seeming to have a problem with it, which is perhaps the most important aspect to consider?
I grant it may have elicited stronger reactions if it was Troi or Crusher in place of Riker here, and if Lanel was presented as male (I don't think we get much specificity about the genders of the aliens here?), but again, if they go along with it willingly then I'm not sure it's our place to make a fuss over it if the involved people themselves aren't doing so. This of course assumes that the reactions we're witnessing are sincere on their parts, versus being faked for their exploiter's benefit.
Even if the nurse had been female (in that hypothetical Troi scenario), the coercion still would have come off as bizarre at the minimum.
STAR TREK is filled with consent issues, such as this one played for laughs. As someone who has been assaulted, it's a bit hard to watch at times.
When do we stop talking about Star Trek?
Ummm...have you met the TrekBBS? People are still complaining about "The Cage."
Maybe if they didn't give us such a big target...
I feel a little gross defending it (maybe I should rewatch it) but a couple thoughts that come to mind. One, Lilith didn’t seem like a bad person. If Riker made a case for why this was really problematic for him, she might have let her kinky dream go and just helped him. Played for laughs, Riker felt it would just, uh, “be faster” to indulge her fantasy and move on. Two, in a truly egalitarian future, would it have made a difference if the sexes were reversed? Contextually, the show aired in our society in 1991, not in a future egalitarian utopia. But if it were say Ro and a male nurse, well, I can picture her annoyed but getting to point b. The male nurse calling out, “Can I give you my number?” as she disappears around the corridor.
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