First Contact scene - with Sisko over Picard?
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Well, I don't take it literally. Both Worf and Picard were in an overheated, emotionally overcharged situation. I think Worf would probably stay his hand for a lot of folks, as mentioned by others.
Slightly off topic, I always felt First Contact would've been interesting featuring Sisko instead of Picard. It seemed like some of the actions Picard took reminded me of how Sisko would react if he faced the Borg again.
Slightly off topic, I always felt First Contact would've been interesting featuring Sisko instead of Picard. It seemed like some of the actions Picard took reminded me of how Sisko would react if he faced the Borg again.
Say... could it be that First Contact was actually planned to be a DS9 episode (maybe as one of the ideas thrown before they did "Trials and Tribbelations")? Many people think that Picard is out of character, especially after all the Borg episodes in TNG where he didn't act like that.
It wouldn't have been out of character for Sisko, though, who lost his wife and never confronted the Borg again in the show.
It wouldn't have been out of character for Sisko, though, who lost his wife and never confronted the Borg again in the show.
Worf said, in response to Picard calling him a coward, he would kill him if he were any other man.
So, if Sisko, said it to him, would he have killed him? lol.. Whilst Picard outranks Worf (and were long time friends/comrades), Sisko was Worf's effective CO at the time. I often wonder if:
Worf: With all due respect, sir, you are allowing your experience with the Prophets to influence your judgment!
Sisko: You're afraid. You want to blow up the ship and run away, you coward!
Dax: Benjamin!
Worf: (slashes Sisko with his mek'leth)
I can see Sisko getting in a few blows before someone tries to break them up.
Two slightly related thoughts: In between which DS9 episodes did FC take place? I'm assuming it's roughly the same time that DS9 started featuring the FC uniforms? When was that? I don't think there was any mention of FC directly in DS9, that I recall. Or Insurrection for that matter.
I forget exactly which episode it's in, but Sisko does make a reference to "the recent Borg invasion" in a DS9 episode. And, yes, it was right after First Contact hit the theaters that the DS9 crew switched to the FC uniforms. I believe "Rapture" was the first DS9 episode to feature the uniform change.
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Worf said, in response to Picard calling him a coward, he would kill him if he were any other man.
So, if Sisko, said it to him, would he have killed him? lol.. Whilst Picard outranks Worf (and were long time friends/comrades), Sisko was Worf's effective CO at the time. I often wonder if:
Worf: With all due respect, sir, you are allowing your experience with the Prophets to influence your judgment!
Sisko: You're afraid. You want to blow up the ship and run away, you coward!
Dax: Benjamin!
Worf: (slashes Sisko with his mek'leth)
You guys are reading way too much in to Worf's line. The way I always interpreted it (and the scene) was simple. It was a heated argument between Picard and Worf over some very serious shit that was about to go down with some very serious bad guys they'd both faced before and barely escaped from with their lives.
They had a major philosophical difference of opinion on what to do. Picard was the raging revenge machine and Worf was thinking tactically.
On top of all of this, the line that is really up for contention and so controversial -- "If you were any other man, I would kill you where you stand!" has absolutely nothing to do with Sisko or Riker or anyone else and has everything to do with Picard and Worf's relationship with each other over the years, throughout the Klingon episodes and politics and transgressions throughout the series.
When Worf says this to Picard, he's throwing down not in the literal sense but in the personal sense -- they both know what they've been through together and Worf knows how personally Picard takes these things (the same way Picard knew how seriously Worf took his loyalty to Picard in the future segment of "All Good Things...").
In short, it was a last ditch, impassioned (well, for a Klingon, anyway) attempt to get Picard to see reason AND let him know that because of everything they'd been through, while Worf would let Picard basically trash him to his face, that was as far as it would go.
And even if we were to infer that Worf held Sisko in lesser esteem than Picard, you could even justify it by recognizing that by the time First Contact was made, he barely knew Sisko, whereas he had likely been serving with Picard for about eight years by then.
So other than our own real-world nerdy insecurities conjuring such a problem, I don't see anything in here that would imply this had anything to do with Sisko.
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As much as it would have shrunk the Star Trek universe (which is something I tend to dislike anyway), when I was younger I always had hoped there would have been more of a relationship developed between Picard, Sisko and Janeway.
The way I saw it would have had all three be friends at some point coming up the ranks together. Then Wolf 359 happens causing the obvious rift between Picard and Sisko and eventually Janeway who doesn't want to get caught up in it. Picard and Sisko have their drama when DS9 starts, and then go their separate ways... until a couple years later when Voyager disappears and the two decide to make peace in honor of their missing friend.
Yeah, it's schmaltzy and kind of cheeseball but I liked it.
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