Finally, some indication thought can affect matter!

[An Officer]

Thought can affect matter!

It appears water is one of the more baffling elements on our planet. It seems to have almost unexplainable metamorphic powers - as a lot of other quantum mechanics studies also seem to be showing. Molecules of water change, depending on what they are exposed to...

Link: http://www.life-enthusiast.com/twilight/research_emoto.htm

A considerable amount of modern cutting edge science appears to indicate spirituality and the building blocks of life or not so far removed from one another...

Is anyone else into this stuff? And if so, what do you make of these ideas?

 

[Gepard]

Re: Thought can affect matter!

Sorry, but I question the scientific veracity of any site that asks me to enter my name and email address so I can learn "more secrets of (X)."

 

[Trekker4747]

Re: Thought can affect matter!

It appears water is one of the more baffling elements on our planet...

Erm, water isn't an element.

 

[An Officer]

Re: Thought can affect matter!

That's probably just something to sell the book, as after all, scientists need to bring home the bacon to their families too... but what do you actually think about the concepts covered?

 

[cultcross]

Re: Thought can affect matter!

It appears water is one of the more baffling elements on our planet...

Erm, water isn't an element.

Gah! beat me to it.

I'd also like to call foul on the scientific veracity of that particular site.
The 'molecular shape' of water changes all the time at any temperature above absolute zero; the speed of the change increases with increasing temperature. Water has 3 modes of normal vibration which can be fed in a quantised manner through a multitude of energy sources. In this it is no different to any other covalent molecule. The musings on crystalline structures is nothing new - simply some observations of the effect of heterogeneous crystallisation and 'doping' of crystals with foreign substances. I really fail to see what magical new property the OP link claims to have discovered. There's nothing (verifiable) on that page that isn't an established chemical fact about water and a dozen other small non linear covalent molecules.

 

[An Officer]

Re: Thought can affect matter!

Erm, water isn't an element.

Erm, as far as ancient philosophies go, water is one of the four classic elements, along with Earth, Wind, and Fire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_(classical_element)

You can call water an element, a refreshment, H2O, a molecule, whatever you please actually, whilst nitpicking to your heart's content... Do you think the properties posed in the link are interesting and provocative? When you actually clicked on the link, that is?

 

[cultcross]

Re: Thought can affect matter!

Erm, water isn't an element.

Erm, as far as ancient philosophies go, water is one of the four classic elements, along with Earth, Wind, and Fire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_(classical_element)

You can call water an element, a refreshment, H2O, a molecule, whatever you please actually, whilst nitpicking to your heart's content... Do you think the properties posed in the link are interesting and provocative? When you actually clicked on the link, that is?

If you're going to post something that claims to be 'modern cutting edge science', water is not an element. Correct scientific terminology is not "nitpicking".

 

[Trekker4747]

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Erm, water isn't an element.

Erm, as far as ancient philosophies go, water is one of the four classic elements, along with Earth, Wind, and Fire.

Yes. Calling water an elemenet according to ancient philosophies in a thread about a modern-day scientific revolution.

Makes perfect sense.

As far as the article goes.

I wasn't impressed.

The article reads more like modern hippie new-age mumbo-jumbo than it does a scientific article, none of the information in it is all that surprising to me or isn't something I haven't heard, phrased better, before.

All and all the article was a bunch of nonsense and written to seem more important that it really is.

 

[An Officer]

Re: Thought can affect matter!

Okay, I accept that, and I apologise for offending you all. I already flayed myself earlier. Would you like me to do it on Youtube as well? Do you have any of your own thoughts to add?

I don't mind criticism of the link, that's why I posted it... It positively invites it. I simply thought it would be cool to have some debate and exchange of ideas. Of course, I don't accept the theories posed there blindly, who would? Take it apart as you like, but add something from yourself too, would ya'?

I wonder if the masturbation guy got harangued like this...

This is what you like better:

How many letters of the alphabet can you say while you're belching?
What does your poo smell like?
Can you urinate in a straight stream?
Do you try the flavour of your boogers?
Do your feet smell of Camembert or brie?

Any of these would be a massive hit with you, right?

 

[Gepard]

Re: Thought can affect matter!

Okay, I accept that, and I apologise for offending you all. I already flayed myself earlier. Would you like me to do it on Youtube as well? Do you have any of your own thoughts to add?

I don't mind criticism of the link, that's why I posted it... It positively invites it. I simply thought it would be cool to have some debate and exchange of ideas. Of course, I don't accept the theories posed there blindly, who would? Take it apart as you like, but add something from yourself too, would ya'?

I wonder if the masturbation guy got harangued like this...

This is what you like better:
How many letters of the alphabet can you say while you're belching?
What does you poo smell like?
Can you urinate in a straight stream?
Do you try the flavour of you boogers?
Do your feet smell of Camembert or brie?

Any of these would be a massive hit with you, right?

 

[An Officer]

Re: Thought can affect matter!

^ Have you been waiting all week to post that?

STILL no thoughts of your own? It's okay. Google is your friend.

 

[An Officer]

Re: Thought can affect matter!

Correct scientific terminology is not "nitpicking".

Oh god, how very awful of me. I didn't realise I was writing for a scientific journal, to be recorded as gospel for all eternity, among such esteemed scholars as yourself.

 

[JoeZhang]

So if I write the letters L O V E, then these letters put out the vibration of love. Water can be imprinted with these vibrations.

Cutting edge science or more empty-headed pseudo-scientific claptrap - YOU DECIDE!

 

[thestrangequark]

I think it's lovely fiction, but it's certainly fiction. I recall this subject was covered in the movie What the Bleep Do We Know, a ridiculous docudrama that was filled with such psuedo-scientific nonsense. Masaru Emoto's experimental methods have been criticized as unscientific, and his results have not been replicated in blind or double blinds studies.

 

[Mallory]

So if I write the letters L O V E, then these letters put out the vibration of love. Water can be imprinted with these vibrations.

Cutting edge science or more empty-headed pseudo-scientific claptrap - YOU DECIDE!

My opinion coincides with your second choice.

 

[cultcross]

Re: Thought can affect matter!

Correct scientific terminology is not "nitpicking".

Oh god, how very awful of me. I didn't realise I was writing for a scientific journal, to be recorded as gospel for all eternity, among such esteemed scholars as yourself.

You want to discuss the science of the link, no? This is the point of the thread, I assume? Therefore, correcting a misrepresentation of science is part of this discussion. "Scientific journals for all eternity" are not the only places that correct basic facts lead to a more productive discussion. If we all disagree on the meaning of the most fundamental scientific terms, it is very difficult to discuss using them.

STILL no thoughts of your own? It's okay. Google is your friend.

I posted my thoughts on the link's contents. You skipped past them.

 

[Hermiod]

Re: Thought can affect matter!

It appears water is one of the more baffling elements on our planet. It seems to have almost unexplainable metamorphic powers - as a lot of other quantum mechanics studies also seem to be showing. Molecules of water change, depending on what they are exposed to...

Link: http://www.life-enthusiast.com/twilight/research_emoto.htm

A considerable amount of modern cutting edge science appears to indicate spirituality and the building blocks of life or not so far removed from one another...

Is anyone else into this stuff? And if so, what do you make of these ideas?

You've been hanging around that Traveler guy too much.

 

[Trekker4747]

 

[CaptainStoner]

Re: Thought can affect matter!

It appears water is one of the more baffling elements on our planet. It seems to have almost unexplainable metamorphic powers - as a lot of other quantum mechanics studies also seem to be showing. Molecules of water change, depending on what they are exposed to...

Link: http://www.life-enthusiast.com/twilight/research_emoto.htm

A considerable amount of modern cutting edge science appears to indicate spirituality and the building blocks of life or not so far removed from one another...

Is anyone else into this stuff? And if so, what do you make of these ideas?

Only to the modern, purely materialistic, dualistic mind, in which science is the only religion, can we say that thought and matter/reality have no relation.
In other words, this weblink may be purely tinfoil hat, but there is no reason to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

In my experience though, one has to sincerely open oneself to such experience, which is something a materialist cannot do. But the truth is, thought can be extremely powerful. But it is subtle energy, like chi. It cannot be percieved by a dualistic mind, or more accurately, it can be percieved, but cannot be acknowledged.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Re: Thought can affect matter!

As far as religious beliefs go, this is a rather pleasant one; but I don't believe that there is any mechanism whereby thoughts can affect matter.

as far as ancient philosophies go, water is one of the four classic elements, along with Earth, Wind, and Fire.

I've never understood why they never let Water perform on any of their albums.