Finally read DS9 Millennium trilogy (8 year old spoilers)

[T'Bonz]

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When I first read them, I got through the first book and stopped partway through the second one. I just didn't like them. They were too strange.

I gave them another try a year or so later and this time buzzed through all three of them. Pretty much, if I thought they were alternate Trek, I could enjoy them.

 

[Quimby]

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It has been a while since I read these but IIRC, there is a part where our heroes are split into two groups and there is scene contrasting the differences between how engineers and scientists approach problems. I don't remember the details but I remember enjoying that little bit.

Now I will be prepared to be mortified because it will turn out I was thinking of a different book.

 

[DS9Continuing]

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As I began the trilogy, I found it extremely enjoyable. The first book, certainly, was fascinating. The murder mystery, the little micro Ferengi guy, the utter bitch Cardassian woman, Commanda Arla (who I wonder if she was the inspiration to the authors for bringing back Ro?)

The second book was also excellent, but in a very different way - a truly apocalyptic vision of the future, where it really is the end of the universe after how ever many hyperboles and exaggerations.

The third book, however, seemd to devolve into confusing nonsense, as far as I recall (it was some time ago).

I'd say I enjoyed each book in decreasing amounts as the series went on.

 

[KRAD]

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Commanda Arla (who I wonder if she was the inspiration to the authors for bringing back Ro?)

She wasn't. Marco came up with that independently of anything Judy & Gar did.

 

[phrog]

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Babaganoosh said:
Far as I know, the Millennium trilogy doesn't openly contradict anything in the DS9R.

You know, has there ever been an official comment from anybody involved with the Relaunch as to how they feel about Millenium and it's content in regards to their storyline and plans?

I know they can pretty much exist alongside each other, not contradictory per say, but as far as the "canon" of the Relaunch, I'm just curious as to how the authors feel about/regard that particular trilogy. I don't think I've seen it addressed directly... although I very well may have missed it.

 

[Holytomato]

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I remember seeing "Lives of Dax".
I had given up on Star Trek prose by that time. I was curious (Dax is hot!). I bought it from the hot bookstore clerk. I read it in 4 hours. Ymmmm. Oh wowowow. This how DS9 books should be written! There was a preview of "Millenium".
Oh wowowow.

Mil book 1. Heehee.

then book 2. Yippy!

book 3. Yes!

I find Nog & Jake adventure books. Woohoo!

The clerk and I chatted every time I bought a book. I found out she was a trekker.

When I found out the omnibus was coming out I pestered the poor innocent really hot woman working at the bookstore everyday. She was really nice about it. The day it came in, I bought the omnibus. As she gave the book to me, our hands touched. ZING. We smiled at each other. She asked me out. The rest is history...

Spoiler:

...

the omnibus edits out the parts about Sisko knowing his mom was a prophet before Jadzia had died (he didn't know this), and The Defiant having phaser banks (should be phaser cannons).

 

[Multimedium]

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The Millennium trilogy remains my favorite printed Trek story to date. This is by far the most epic story that any of the Trek novels has told. And I love the way the story uses the entire DS9 time line from before Starfleet comes to DS9 to the future. Book 2 was my favorite, I always love the alternate reality stuff.

Just a side note. I wonder if the upcoming Terok Nor books will undo any of the Day of withdrawal events from Millennium?

 

[DS9Continuing]

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Holytomato said:
When I found out the omnibus was coming out I pestered the poor innocent really hot woman working at the bookstore everyday. She was really nice about it. The day it came in, I bought the omnibus. As she gave the book to me, our hands touched. ZING. We smiled at each other. She asked me out. The rest is history...

Aww... nerd love. And they say Trek fans never get any

 

[JD]

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But, sadly sometimes it is true.

 

[phrog]

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phrog said:

You know, has there ever been an official comment from anybody involved with the Relaunch as to how they feel about Millenium and it's content in regards to their storyline and plans?

Multimedium said:
Just a side note. I wonder if the upcoming Terok Nor books will undo any of the Day of withdrawal events from Millennium?

That's the sort of thing I was wondering/eliciting an opinion about above... the main book lines now have consistent and complimentary continuity, I'm sure Terok Nor will be consistent with the other DS9 literature we've seen in the Relaunch for instance, and I wonder how Millenium is considered amongst the writers/editors from that angle.

 

[Christopher]

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^^I would imagine it depends on the needs of the story the Terok Nor authors and editor intend to tell. If it can be told in a way consistent with Millennium, I think it probably would be, but since Millennium hasn't been overtly referenced in other Trek novels that I'm aware of, there'd be no obstacle to contradicting it if the story demanded going a different way.

Although come to think of it, there are already some inconsistencies between the versions of the Day of Withdrawal portrayed in Millennium and A Stitch in Time. That could be chalked up to Garak being an unreliable narrator, but it's possible the Terok Nor books may choose to align with the ASiT version of that day rather than the MIL version.

Bottom line, it's not really a question of how the writers or editors feel about Millennium, but a question of what's best for Terok Nor.

 

[Technobuilder]

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My favorite moment during the Millennium Trilogy was when Capt. Sisko was in the Bajoran Temple on the day back when he first came aboard DS9 and was "caught" by the monk.

The scene from the pilot where Sisko is invited into the Temple by the monk calling him Emissary was always something "More" after taking that into account.

This Guy

 

[LightningStorm]

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Christopher said:
Although come to think of it, there are already some inconsistencies between the versions of the Day of Withdrawal portrayed in Millennium and A Stitch in Time. That could be chalked up to Garak being an unreliable narrator, but it's possible the Terok Nor books may choose to align with the ASiT version of that day rather than the MIL version.

It could also be chalked up to the

Spoiler: Minor Millennium spoiler

memory inhibitor he gave his past self so he wouldn't remember meeting himself and possibly that having some sort of other memory damaging effects.

 

[JD]

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Christopher said:
^^I would imagine it depends on the needs of the story the Terok Nor authors and editor intend to tell. If it can be told in a way consistent with Millennium, I think it probably would be, but since Millennium hasn't been overtly referenced in other Trek novels that I'm aware of, there'd be no obstacle to contradicting it if the story demanded going a different way.

Although come to think of it, there are already some inconsistencies between the versions of the Day of Withdrawal portrayed in Millennium and A Stitch in Time. That could be chalked up to Garak being an unreliable narrator, but it's possible the Terok Nor books may choose to align with the ASiT version of that day rather than the MIL version.

Bottom line, it's not really a question of how the writers or editors feel about Millennium, but a question of what's best for Terok Nor.

If you ask me, I think they'll probably go with the ASiT version of events, since it's considered part of the Relaunch and we have't seen any signs of Millenium being related to them.

 

[RonG]

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IMO Terok Nor 's account of the Cardassian withdrawal will not be based of the Millennium trilogy (or even A Stitch in Time ), but rather something that fits into the series' specific plot.

In any case, this does not in any way diminish the overall quality of the Millennium trilogy, as (again, IMO) it stands as a complete tale in itself - which only serves to highlight its strengths (as I detailed in my original post)

 

[DS9Continuing]

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Well, doesn't the whole thing stand as a story Sisko told to the Prophets, anyway?

He was trying to explain the concept of alternate universes, which they didn't understand, and he used this example of something which could have happened, and did in one universe, but not in the one the Prophets are familiar with.

Which means that the whole thing could be completely fabricated for the Prophets' benefit anyway. So Millenium's version of Withdrawal Day doesn't necessarily have anything to do with what "really" happened.

 

[Starbreaker]

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This trilogy is my favorite storyline apart from Mission Gamma: Twilight. There's just something very exciting about it that sets it apart from a lot of Trek fiction.

 

[David cgc]

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lvsxy808 said:
Which means that the whole thing could be completely fabricated for the Prophets' benefit anyway. So Millenium's version of Withdrawal Day doesn't necessarily have anything to do with what "really" happened.

Of course, when fictional stories are shown to be fictional in their own fictional contexts, it does nothing other than anger people. It'd be happier with it being flat-out contradicted than just being written off like that. I know it's not, but it feels like the story has been devalued.

 

[RonG]

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As I always saw it, Sisko's point about alternate timelineswas examplified by the alternate future (nook 2) and to show how even though none of it "existed" (due to the actions of our heroes), it still had an effect on the "regular" timeline (i.e. the people left in the past and other, subtler effects).

 

[ClayinCA]

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I'm less concerned about whether or not a story is "invalidated" by something else than whether or not it's, y'know, a good story. I mean, the Reeves-Stevenses' Federation was contradicted several ways from Sunday when First Contact came out, but it's still my all-time favorite Star Trek book.