Filming of Season 2..?

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  1. MrPicard

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    Once they merge into Paramount+, Star Trek won’t be their major draw anymore, certainly not for an international audience (which is what they will no doubt be aiming at). They’ll need to broaden their horizons with other original stuff, just as Netflix and Prime are doing. If it was just CBS All Access I would agree that they want for Trek to pull in their audience in the United States (which seems to be all they’re interested in right now, given how they have released neither Lower Decks on streaming services nor PIC on DVD/BluRay internationally). But with the situation being as it will be soon, Paramount+ can do without one of the Star Trek shows. It might even be wise to spend that money on other things.

    Also, I have to ask... what’s different in January? The virus won’t have left by then and a vaccine won’t be ready either. If anything, the situation will be even worse than it is now because it’s winter and you have all the other flus and colds floating around as well.

    Don’t get me wrong, I know Sir Patrick wants to shoot the second season ASAP - but I don’t want for him to endanger himself like this just for a television show, and I for one would not miss anything if PIC didn’t continue and he went on to do other things (it’s incredibly tiresome and exhausting, all the Fandom Menace hate directed at him etc etc, this is exactly why I never wanted for him to return to Star Trek).
     
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    Strongly disagree. If that were the case, they wouldn't be investing in having six Star Trek series in production simultaneously. They want a Star Trek show to be streaming new episodes almost all year round.

    The example of Disney+ has already demonstrated that an online platform relying primarily on its backcatalogue is gonna struggle.

    It's my understanding that the lack of international distribution rights on Star Trek: Lower Decks is an unintended consequence of the pandemic; Lower Decks ended up streaming sooner than planned because CBS needed content, and they just haven't finished negotiations on international rights yet.

    Then why randomly speculate that he might drop out?

    No one's doubting there are safety and logistical challenges. I wouldn't even be surprised if the production of PIC S2 were to be pushed back to late 2021 or early 2022 after a vaccine is developed and distributed. But that's a far cry from asserting that there's a meaningful probability it will just be cancelled permanently.
     
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  3. MrPicard

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    He wants to do the second season, he has said so many times. But he also wants to do it on his conditions. It’s a thing with him. If those conditions aren’t met he won’t like it. (Which is why he initially said no to doing the show and only said yes when they changed things in the story/scripts so that his conditions were met.) Again, it’s a thing with him, always has been, especially with Star Trek (we all know how Insurrection was changed because he wanted a more light-hearted movie after First Contact). Hence my “speculation”, which is based on previous patterns concerning him and the Trek franchise and not taken out of thin air. However, I’m not oblivious to the fact that they usually try anything humanly possible to meet his conditions. That is also a pattern. (I guess I’m just wondering if they’ll do so during a pandemic as well.)

    In the end I just want for him to be safe, and I really don’t think PIC is worth risking his safety for.
     
  4. garakvsneelix

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    Me, I'm still curious, what Stewart's conditions for the first season exactly were. As much as I adore his play and his presence in all his works, I still haven't forgotten, that he also gave us some of the worse ideas in the movies (especially in STX)...
     
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  5. MrPicard

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    I’m sure someone will write a book about it at some point - there’s always someone who is eager to make a nice little profit from spreading “Stewart wanted this and that” gossip. Wouldn’t be the first time.;)

    Me, I’m used to this kind of “eh, wot?” feeling when it comes to some of Sir Patrick’s ideas regarding Jean-Luc - I always say that if there’s ONE subject Sir Patrick and I would be at each other’s throats about, it’s Jean-Luc Picard. :lol:
     
  6. jackoverfull

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    No uniform (not regularly, anyway, flashbacks were fine), no “TNG Volume II” (show has to be different) and especially absolutely no Borg prosthetics. Possibly more that haven’t emerged so far.
     
  7. MrPicard

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    The biggest irony is that Sir Patrick has said that very little of the original story idea That made him agree to do the show actually made it INTO the show. So, what sold him initially is apparently not what the show eventually delivered. ;)
     
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  8. jackoverfull

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    This is pretty normal in the business, though...Ideas tend to develop and change a lot.
     
  9. MrPicard

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    Indeed. It’s just funny somehow that the story that drew him in initially and convinced him to return to the franchise isn’t the one the show ended up with, at least not for the most part. The basic premise of “it isn’t TNG 2.0” remained tho, of course, which was probably the ONE thing he truly insisted on since doing something he’s done before career-wise isn’t what he’s into these days.
     
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  10. jackoverfull

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    The original outline showed him that the showrunners has ideas that he liked and, as you say, weren’t just trying to do a new TNG. Really, this sort of thing is extremely common.
     
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  11. garakvsneelix

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    And here we go:

    - In my eyes, the best moment in PIC was, when we saw Picard as Locutus again, in the scene, he did some research before entering to romulan cubus.
    - For me, the best episode of the whole season was exacty that one, that came clostest to "TNG Volume II" (Nepenthe)
    - I enjoyed all the flashbacks with Picard in his uniform pretty much and always hoped to see him in an uniform again (maybe in a scene like that one they spent Riker in the season finale)

    ...
     
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    Well, I enjoyed what you quote as well and really hope that Strange New Worlds will manage to give us some classic Trek again, but I understand why PS doesn’t want to go back to a chapter of his life and career he considers completed, doesn’t want to repeat himself in favor of something new. And not wanting to do it all over again was exactly the reason he had stopped playing Picard for some 15 years.

    Regarding the Borg prosthetics...Well, he hated those already back on TNG, we have several interviews lamenting they were very uncomfortable when not painful, so I think his request is very understandable.

    Jonathan Del Arco was also very relieved in discovery he wouldn’t need to appear in full Borg costume (and Jery Rian didn’t comment on this series, but her issues with the Borg suit back on Voyager are well known).
     
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    By the way, I think it may be interesting, in the light of the traditional Kirk vs Picard debate, to point out that Shatner would have jumped at the opportunity of another movie with him in command of the enterprise when he was Stewart’s age.
     
  14. Danja

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    NCIS is filming. CBS's sitcom "Mom" is filming.

    There ARE ways of working safely around the pandemic (CBS's other shows are doing it).
     
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    Doing some kind of bubble is the best way to do stuff during pandemic. It has worked great for NBA.
     
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    Like Stuart, Shatner would only have done it if the money was right and he had some control over what was done.
     
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    Kurtzman has a new show called "Clarice" for NBC. It's serving as a dry run for Star Trek with regards to Covid19 precautions.
     
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    And it's what actually happened. They offered William Shatner a role in the 2009 Film, but it was that of a holo-recording. He wanted a more crucial role like Leonard Nimoy's. But then they pointed out he died in Generations and they couldn't think of a way to bring him back to life that wouldn't sound ridiculous and especially with the time-constraints the story had.

    If William Shatner had said "No!" to Generations and didn't agree to be in a movie that had his character killed, he could've been in the 2009 Film. But, back in 1994, he readily agreed to the chance to be in "one more film!" and go out with a "blaze of glory!" Probably thinking, "They'll bring me back! It's Star Trek!" Only to find out the hard way that wasn't the direction Rick Berman was interested in going in. Rick Berman had no attachment to TOS and Star Trek is TOS to William Shatner and everything else, including TNG, was just "and then there's the rest... " So there was a real disconnect between the two. They weren't on the same page. So that's how we got the Shatnerverse Star Trek novels.
     
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  19. MrPicard

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    Part of me wants to say “good, test it on someone else, not Sir Patrick, leave him out of this” and part of me wants to say “wait what if this doesn’t work and all the people who work on this Clarice show get infected”. :shifty:
     
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    They will probably survive.