Female Condom Unveiled For World Cup

[Pingfah]

it doesn't cause any damage

Really? Has it been tested?

It says so in the article, it doesn't break the skin.

Okay, even if you accept that it doesn't cause permanent damage: What if it did? Would anyone care? What if there was a device that simply chopped the rapist's dick off?

Well in your country or mine it would be illegal and probably in just about every other country in the world too.

Would anyone care? Well, I wouldn't support its legality and would wish to see anyone using one prosecuted as I am quite sure they would be. Would I care personally for the plight of the attacker? No not really, but laws aren't based on my private feelings towards rapists and a good thing too.

 

[Scout101]

My opinion would be pretty simple, and a tweak to an old phrase: your right to swing your dick around ends where someone else's body begins. If you stick it places it doesn't belong, you risk not getting it back...

 

[Scout101]

it doesn't cause any damage

Really? Has it been tested?

God help the poor sod who volunteers to have one of those clamped onto his junk.

Okay, even if you accept that it doesn't cause permanent damage: What if it did? Would anyone care? What if there was a device that simply chopped the rapist's dick off?

And part of the reason we're not getting anywhere with this discussion is right here. The "oh, won't anyone think of the poor rapist" argument isn't a good way to go on this one. Not to say that these points shouldn't be discussed, but since it's been established that it doesn't cut anything off, can we get past that and talk about the device itself again, whether it would help or hurt maters, etc?

 

[Luther Sloan]

SOV & LOB:

Hey. Whatever you guys want to believe in the way you communicate with others. Thats your beef. I'm done. Let it go.

 

[Kestra]

it doesn't cause any damage

Really? Has it been tested?

God help the poor sod who volunteers to have one of those clamped onto his junk.

Okay, even if you accept that it doesn't cause permanent damage: What if it did? Would anyone care? What if there was a device that simply chopped the rapist's dick off?

Of course there are people that would care. We're not all barbarians and I wouldn't approve of mini-guillotines in women's vaginas. What an absurd tangent.

I don't know if this has been addressed, but I wonder what the duration on usage for this sort of thing is. Would there be risk of TSS, things like that?

 

[STR]

can we get past that and talk about the device itself again, whether it would help or hurt maters, etc?

 

[Jan]

A woman must be down right terrified if she want's to walk around with one of those things on

What is up with this?

Do you chicks really live in this much fear of rape?

Why do you fear rape more than I fear murder?


GOD DAMMIT! .0001% of you will be raped. I wish my murder odds were so low.

Get over stupid FOXNEWS fear and live your fucking life.

Sigh...It took a hundred posts to draw me into this.

Let me tell you about somebody's personal experience with your .0001%. This girl was growing up in a good neighborhood of a large city in the 1960s.

• At age six she was exposed to a flasher
• At age seven she was accosted by...well, I suppose he was a flasher, too. He wanted to masturbate while looking at her.
• At age eleven the same thing happened again.
• At age twelve was her first attempted rape. She kept her head and escaped due to his momentary inattention.
• A few weeks later somebody tried the same to her older sister.
• At age sixteen was her second attempted rape. This time she did him an injury.

All of this happened within six blocks of her house. She didn't know any of the men involved. No, she's never been raped, but one might understand her fear.

Whatever you guys want to believe. Go right ahead and believe it. Just know that you wouldn't use such words at the dinner table with your grand parents present. Some things just shouldn't be said (in such detail) in front of others.

Wrong. Such things need to be said in graphic and ugly detail. Some things need to instill outrage or they're watered down to simply being 'distasteful'. No, they're horrid offenses against other human beings and if all you can care about is your comfort zone with the words chosen, I'd hazard that your priorities are skewed.

Now, as for the device itself. Yeah, I'm sure that it could be misused. Since there are statistics being bandied about, what do you suppose the statistics are for misuse? Are they any greater or worse than those of other self-defense instruments? The person I described above once escaped by smashing her knee into the crotch of the one threatening her. Could her knee have been misused? The fact that something can be misused isn't a reason to ban something that could be useful in genuine need.

And, while I'm not equipped to know, doesn't a sharp pain to the penis usually have one simple response? An instinctive pulling away from the hurt (a desired response) and both hands automatically going to protect that area (another desired response). From what little I know, this would be the case with most men, assuming that he's not hopped up on drugs, which would give the woman a chance to get away. If this thing is supposed to prevent the man from walking, my mental picture is of him curled up on the pavement, not chasing her down.

Just my two cents...

Jan

 

[Amaris]

A woman must be down right terrified if she want's to walk around with one of those things on

What is up with this?

Do you chicks really live in this much fear of rape?

Why do you fear rape more than I fear murder?


GOD DAMMIT! .0001% of you will be raped. I wish my murder odds were so low.

Get over stupid FOXNEWS fear and live your fucking life.

Sigh...It took a hundred posts to draw me into this.

Let me tell you about somebody's personal experience with your .0001%. This girl was growing up in a good neighborhood of a large city in the 1960s.

• At age six she was exposed to a flasher
• At age seven she was accosted by...well, I suppose he was a flasher, too. He wanted to masturbate while looking at her.
• At age eleven the same thing happened again.
• At age twelve was her first attempted rape. She kept her head and escaped due to his momentary inattention.
• A few weeks later somebody tried the same to her older sister.
• At age sixteen was her second attempted rape. This time she did him an injury.

All of this happened within six blocks of her house. She didn't know any of the men involved. No, she's never been raped, but one might understand her fear.

Whatever you guys want to believe. Go right ahead and believe it. Just know that you wouldn't use such words at the dinner table with your grand parents present. Some things just shouldn't be said (in such detail) in front of others.

Wrong. Such things need to be said in graphic and ugly detail. Some things need to instill outrage or they're watered down to simply being 'distasteful'. No, they're horrid offenses against other human beings and if all you can care about is your comfort zone with the words chosen, I'd hazard that your priorities are skewed.

Now, as for the device itself. Yeah, I'm sure that it could be misused. Since there are statistics being bandied about, what do you suppose the statistics are for misuse? Are they any greater or worse than those of other self-defense instruments? The person I described above once escaped by smashing her knee into the crotch of the one threatening her. Could her knee have been misused? The fact that something can be misused isn't a reason to ban something that could be useful in genuine need.

And, while I'm not equipped to know, doesn't a sharp pain to the penis usually have one simple response? An instinctive pulling away from the hurt (a desired response) and both hands automatically going to protect that area (another desired response). From what little I know, this would be the case with most men, assuming that he's not hopped up on drugs, which would give the woman a chance to get away. If this thing is supposed to prevent the man from walking, my mental picture is of him curled up on the pavement, not chasing her down.

Just my two cents...

Jan

Yeah, the article states that the rapist would be unable to walk or urinate, which means serious pressure applied, so I doubt he's going to do anything but curl into the fetal position and cry (which is fine with me on that one).

 

[Teelie]

can we get past that and talk about the device itself again, whether it would help or hurt maters, etc?

This, unfortunately is my first thought. It's bad enough that someone intends to rape you but using this means they'll almost certainly beat you more than if you'd not had it. At the least, it will work as intended: to deter a would be rapist from actually raping a woman. At worst, it enrages the rapist to the point he beats and murders the woman.

And to get slightly graphic, nothing says a would-be rapist isn't going to just stick a finger or foreign object in first to look for this thing either.

Rape does need to be combated but in this instance it almost guarantees the rapist is going to heap more abuse on their victim as opposed to the better alternative: discourage rape in the first place.

This has a limited place in South Africa where rape is rampant maybe but it's a bandaid on the gaping wound that's South Africa's severe crisis of crime, poverty and social ailments in unprecedented levels. All this does is give the rapist more excuse to victimize their victim if they find it.

 

[iguana_tonante]

^ See, that's the thing. We're not allowed to talk about how bad this device might be, without being somehow labelled as pro-rape. The propaganda of the day demands that anything against rapists is good, no matter how barbaric it actually is.

Do you feel the same about guns? How are guns "not barbaric"? They sling fast-moving metal slugs into the body of people, destroying organs and bones, splattering blood and other bodily fluids all around. It doesn't sound like a party to me.

 

[MANT!]

Read through the entire post...such twists and turns..

Violent Crime (including rape) is on the decline throughout the western world..

South Africa is experiencing a huge increase in violent crime due to the changes that come from the transition of a repressive society to a free one..(see Russia and Eastern Europe in the 1990s)...added to the large number of urban poor..

This is a product..sold on fear...and with the fear prevalent in South Africa today it's found a market..

When South Africa settles down (as it will) the transformation of the society will take hold and crime rates will start to drop there as well...and products like this one will no longer sell ...

I do think that the device has the potential to be misused, overused and has the potential to increase the woman's risk of death if it's not a successful deterrent...

But in a society built on market forces..if it's needed, it'll sell well..if not, it wont sell..period..


I will not debate the morality of the device as it's really about deterring an un-moral act... I'm damned if I voice my opinion on the morality..and not damned if I don't

 

[Miss Chicken]

As a woman who was brutally raped nearly 28 years ago I am offended that Luther Sloane thinks I should not talk about it, as if my traumatic experience should be hidden away as if I had done something to be embarrassed by.

I think that I am doing society a service when I bring attention to rape in marriage (which my case was).Many people seem to think that rape within marriage is less traumatic than other rapes - it is not.

So I will talk about what happened to me -

I came home from hospital 8 days after having my third child (C-section). That night my husband raped me. He thought it was justified because he had been without sex for more than 3 weeks (I had been in hospital for 22 days). Can anyone imagine what is is like to have a man on top of you when you have just had a C-section? After he had hit me in the face a couple of times I was too terrified to put up much of a fight because I was scared that my wound might come apart. The pain was worse than giving birth.

When this happened all those years ago a man could not be charged with raping his wife. Because women like me spoke out loudly about our experiences we were able to get the law changed so that husbands could be charged with rape.

After the rape my husband knew that I would leave him if I had the opportunity. Because of this husband would never leave home without one of the children with him. If I went out I had to leave a child behind. It was another 16 months before I was free of him, and then only because he went to prison for harming another person.

 

[F. King Daniel]

That's a horrific story. I'm glad you were finally able to get away from that bastard, Miss Chicken.

 

[cubbie]

Miss Chicken, your husband was a fucking bastard. I'm glad you survived that horrific experience and helped to change the laws in your country.

 

[sidious618]

The fact that people think discussing this topic is somehow inappropriate is absurd. I can't believe that anyone could honestly think that way but, oh boy, there are some people here who are just itching to prove me wrong.

Edit: Miss Chicken- That's horrible what happened to you. I've always like you on here and it breaks my heart to read that. I'm glad your situation has improved.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Do you feel the same about guns? How are guns "not barbaric"?

They are.

 

[iguana_tonante]

^So you are opposed to them being available to people as you are to that device?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ I never said I was opposed to the female condom being available at all. I only pointed out its potential for abuse.

 

[Angela 0077]

Geez Why cant poeple have different opinions on this topic.

How did we get away from the topic which is the new invention FEMALE CONDOM.
andd the intersting benifits that Afican women and women all over the world will get from this new product.

Also Mr Sloan has the right to have a opinion here not just all yours.

This thread is for everyone.
I know you were raped Miss Chicken like you wrote in your post.
i feel for you and it would have been a terrible experiece trying to get away from the person and you couldnt.
Mr Sloan does feel for anyone who is raped even though you do not think he does.
he has the right to put religion into the topic and if that helps the person to some point that is good.
We all have differet way to express our selfs in what ever religion.
if l was in the position of being raped l would bloody pray and l would hope it would help.
or try and talk the bloke out of what he was doing to me at that time
Alot of women do get themselves into trouble and sometimes they do ask for it in the way they act.
Like chatting up a bloke and not knowing whaere to stop.
I have seen it in nightclubs where women flirt with a guy by letting them tonch different parts of there body but when they want to bed them they dont want it.
I think women need to learn when they should stop and hopefully not get so sexaul with them at clubs then they guy would releaze that this girl is not there for that.
Also in some cases men should treat a woman with repect and know that the woman is not there for one thing
Also the way women dress these days having there breasts exposed not just a little bit but alot
Even the lenth of there dress is terrible when you see them going to the nightclubs.
All l am saying is that we as women need to be careful what we do.
Another thing teenage girls are getting so drunk these days and not drinking to a certain point but drinking to the point that they dont even know what they are doing alot of guys take advantage of this.

 

[Angela 0077]

No one has told you to leave. You, however, have expressed your desire for everyone to bend to your will merely because you say so, and that is simply not acceptable in a community forum where you hold no such authority. The offer to leave is voluntary and conditional on the idea that you wouldn't want to stay here, around what you would find objectionable.

SOV:

No. I know what you meant.
Your suggestion was pretty clear in your previous post.

Also, whether this type of talk is acceptable on this forum or not doesn't change the fact that it is still wrong. No one should publicly talk about kids being raped in any type of detail. Talking about it as a concern in trying to stop it is one thing. Explaining the details of the actual act is quite another.

That is your opinion. You are welcome to it. It does not change anything previously stated.

It is sad to say that is just my opinion.
Well, believe what you will then.

Yes l agree with you there on the subject of children being raped this topic was not started to discuss this.
it was originally started to discuss the Condom and it being a new invention
I also like Mr Sloan s opinions on what he thinks is right and wrong and it is interesting to have everyones comments.
here to some exstent.
But there is one thing l dont like is bullying of members because they might not have the same opinion as some.
if you dont like someone saying something please scroll down further so we can get back on track