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Female Condom Unveiled For World Cup

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/10/check_cashing_store_robber_sto.php

The following story proves there's a little goodness in everyone. Even morons who rob check cashing stores in Indianapolis. As you can see in the video above, a stick-up comes into the Advance America branch, waving his gun menacingly. The clerk begins to cry and pray. And that's when our would-be bad-ass Gregory L. Smith melts to sugar...

It wouldn't hurt to pray in the middle of a crime. :shrug:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYCjiDLPZz0
 
A woman must be down right terrified if she want's to walk around with one of those things on

What is up with this?

Do you chicks really live in this much fear of rape?

Why do you fear rape more than I fear murder?


GOD DAMMIT! .0001% of you will be raped. I wish my murder odds were so low.

Get over stupid FOXNEWS fear and live your fucking life.

Try going back through the thread and looking at some of the statistics posted for rapes in South Africa, where this female condom originates, and hopefully you'll see how inappropriate your comments are.

Uh, I shouldn't have to list them because everyone should know them already. And if they don't know them. Google can list it for that person in mere seconds.

Did I say guns and knives? No.

Since you incorrectly seem to assume that manufactured goods aren't "natural," it seemed as if you had some biological anti-rape alternatives in mind. I was curious what those might be. I still am curious.

No, you didn't say guns or knives, nor did I imply that you did. I said it as examples of other defensive measures that are also perfectly "natural."

Well, I just think there is a better way is all. Something to stop the problem before it even starts. Doesn't mean I am wrong to think that there may be a better solution out there, though.

There are quite possibly many better or equally effective deterrents or defenses out there, already in existence or yet to be invented. That doesn't mean this one can't or shouldn't be used in the meantime. To return to the earlier example, we still use knives in this age of guns.

It was in the way the poster described children.
It just was absolutely unnecessary. It has nothing to do with not handling the truth. I know these things happen. A person doesn't have to describe the act in any detail for me to know that it exists. It is totally tasteless to mention it in any detail (when it is not necessary). Period.

Sometimes when the perception is that some people are taking a subject lightly or are being dismissive, it helps to be blunt about the facts of the crime.

Our life is but a vapor. Trust me. Eternity is a long time in comparison to the short life span of years that we have to endure on this Earth.

So can I have all of your stuff? I mean, since nothing matters in this vaporous and unbearable to endure life...
 
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A woman must be down right terrified if she want's to walk around with one of those things on

What is up with this?

Do you chicks really live in this much fear of rape?

Why do you fear rape more than I fear murder?


GOD DAMMIT! .0001% of you will be raped. I wish my murder odds were so low.

Get over stupid FOXNEWS fear and live your fucking life.

Try going back through the thread and looking at some of the statistics posted for rapes in South Africa, where this female condom originates, and hopefully you'll see how inappropriate your comments are.

Is this MISC or TNZ?

FUCK!

Okay, well, instead of the reply I intended, I'll simply ask...

Did those include the MURDER statistics from South Africa?

Thank you, thank you. I'm here all week.
 
What is up with this?

Do you chicks really live in this much fear of rape?

Why do you fear rape more than I fear murder?

GOD DAMMIT! .0001% of you will be raped. I wish my murder odds were so low.

Get over stupid FOXNEWS fear and live your fucking life.

Try going back through the thread and looking at some of the statistics posted for rapes in South Africa, where this female condom originates, and hopefully you'll see how inappropriate your comments are.

Is this MISC or TNZ?

FUCK!

Okay, well, instead of the reply I intended, I'll simply ask...

Did those include the MURDER statistics from South Africa?

Thank you, thank you. I'm here all week.

I don't see what was worthy of a TNZ-only insult in my post, but go ahead and restart this topic there if you feel compelled to take a shot at me over this. I don't give a shit.

The murder statistics in South Africa are quite irrelevant to this discussion, since there are deterrents and defenses available to prevent or minimize the risk of murder as well, and since - and this is key - this topic is about deterring RAPE.
 
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Try going back through the thread and looking at some of the statistics posted for rapes in South Africa, where this female condom originates, and hopefully you'll see how inappropriate your comments are.

Is this MISC or TNZ?

FUCK!

Okay, well, instead of the reply I intended, I'll simply ask...

Did those include the MURDER statistics from South Africa?

Thank you, thank you. I'm here all week.

I don't see what was worthy of a TNZ-only insult in my post, but go ahead and restart this topic there is you feel compelled to take a shot at me over this. I don't give a shit.

The murder statistics in South Africa are quite irrelevant to this discussion, since there are deterrents and defenses available to prevent or minimize the risk of murder as well, and since - and this is key - this topic is about deterring RAPE.

Ah. And hidden Prince-esque Pussy Control is the exact deterrent rapists need.

Just in the way the death penalty is going to conrol my enraged self from killing the man I walk in on fucking my wife.
 
Whatever you guys want to believe. Go right ahead and believe it. Just know that you wouldn't use such words at the dinner table with your grand parents present. Some things just shouldn't be said (in such detail) in front of others.
 
^Rape = forcible insertion of penis into vagina (at least, that is one definition). That is not "describing the act in detail," that is defining it.

For the sake of clarity, the legal definition of rape in the United States is:
Forced sexual intercourse including both psychological coercion as well as physical force. Forced sexual intercourse means vaginal, anal or oral penetration by the offender (s). This category also includes incidents where the penetration is from a foreign object such as a bottle. Includes attempted rapes, male as well as female victims, and both heterosexual and homosexual rape.
SOV, you are a good guy and you don't need to justify yourself by saying you think rape is deplorable, I know you do. And I know your comments weren't intended to make light of the situation. However, I still believe that concerns about bitter women misusing this device are ludicrous. As Rii said, it all comes down to sharp things near the penis. Iguana, reasonably pointed out that just as women have a primal fear of rape, men have a primal fear of anything bad happening to that particular bit -- certainly! However, this is a device that doesn't even penetrate the skin, that causes pain and restricts movement but apparently no permanent damage, and all the crazy ladies (or desperate women) who desire to injure or mutilate a man's genitalia could find any number of ways of doing so. Also, if the device is great for South Africa why should it invoke so much fear and concern in the hands of women in the rest of the world? Just because the statistics are a bit lower?
I hate to go all Super Feminist, but I honestly think that the concerns come down to the simple fact that this a is a defense, or weapon, or tool -- whatever one wants to call it -- that can be wielded only by a vagina. And that frightens some men terribly.
My primary concern about potential abuse of such a device is social, not immediately physical. Because the device would be primarily associated with rape, a male assaulted with one might be assumed a rapist until and unless proven innocent. As a weapon of perception - not of mutilation - it could be quite powerful.

You yourself said that thousands of women are raped each day in the United States -- compare that figure to the number of men who have their penis injured by a woman.
While I appreciate your point, the argument you make here is purely utilitarian. There are many well-considered and moral philosophies which would find this justification essentially specious.

My protests earlier were not against people questioning the device from that standpoint, but the silly remarks about it potentially making little Lorena Bobbits out of bitter housewives throughout the Western world. That implies a severe lack of perspective, as I already stated.

I don't think it does. The problems of South Africa are very remote to the United States - to any part of the first world - and, not unjustly, matter less to us than the problems within our own nation.

While what goes on in South Africa is terrible, it is outside the bounds of our sovereignty, and thus consigned to a realm of lesser concern. (I'm reminded of a comment from The West Wing about curing a white person's impotence versus curing a black person of AIDS. It always seemed to me that the argument missed the point. The difference is between curing an American person's impotence, versus curing a non-American person of AIDS.)

Then there was raised the issue of male rape, which, of course, does happen and is just as awful as the rape of a woman. It is also irrelevant to this issue. We are not talking about male rape, we are talking about female rape. But since you brought up the subject, let's again try to put things into perspective: How often do you men actually fear being raped? Does the thought, "I shouldn't go there/be here because I might be raped" occur to you once every few months? Once every few weeks? Every night?
How often are you sexually assaulted, verbally or physically? Once a month? Once a week? Several times a day? Because I am verbally sexually harassed every day, as are many if not most young women in NYC. Physical harassment, as in having any part of my body grabbed (including my hair, my neck, my breasts, my buttocks, and, less intrusively but just as unwanted, my arms and legs), it averages out to about once a year. This is typical.
I would say that I'm relatively frequently subjected to unwanted touching that seems to be of a sexual nature. I've had co-workers, classmates (including a daily lab partner, until she began dating someone), superiors, subordinates, friends, etc. engage in prolonged touching or fondling of my neck, hair, chest, shoulders, back, arms, legs, and hands.

As a teenager and young adult, I was routinely the subject of comments - often while I was plainly in earshot, and sometimes directly to me - from much older women (some the mothers of classmates of mine) and persons my age, about my physical attributes, and to intensive interest and frequent propositioning by persons I knew.

Also somewhat fitting to a stereotype applied to females (I'm male), I often find that purely friendly interest in a person is mistaken for romantic interest - even if I deliberately mention my relationship status (when in a relationship) - sometimes even actually discuss my girlfriend - to make clear my lack of non-platonic interest.

Short of the following, I would say that my experience isn't terribly different from what you describe as yours, except that I've apparently been subject to more frequent unwanted touching and less frequent (and perhaps less public) verbal harassment.

I do not, however, fear rape, and that is a significant difference. I do, though, fear other, more lethal forms of violence (rape is not in itself lethal, excepting STD transmission, etc.), so I don't think that our experience in those cases, again, is terribly different. If anything, I suspect I'm more cognizant of the likelihood of death or serious injury, given that a male is more likely to be subjected to life-threatening assault by a stranger than a female is.
 
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Whatever you guys want to believe. Go right ahead and believe it. Just know that you wouldn't use such words at the dinner table with your grand parents present. Some things just shouldn't be said (in such detail) in front of others.

Do you talk about rape in front of your grandparents at the dinner table? If you do, then these words bring nothing else to the table that would cause offense. If you do not, then you could have simply avoided this thread, as it is neither a dinner table, nor are your grandparents present. Context matters.
 
Ah. And hidden Prince-esque Pussy Control is the exact deterrent rapists need.

Just in the way the death penalty is going to conrol my enraged self from killing the man I walk in on fucking my wife.

The mindset behind committing rape is not the same as that behind committing murder in the heat of passion, where by definition you are not thinking clearly and are overwhelmed by emotion. Rapists are opportunists who look for easy prey; it's about power. They can be often be dissuaded from committing the crime by depriving them of that perception of power and making them fear being caught or injured in the process, which is primarily where the deterrent aspect of this device comes into play.
 
Ah. And hidden Prince-esque Pussy Control is the exact deterrent rapists need.

Just in the way the death penalty is going to conrol my enraged self from killing the man I walk in on fucking my wife.

The mindset behind committing rape is not the same as that behind committing murder in the heat of passion, where by definition you are not thinking clearly and are overwhelmed by emotion. Rapists are opportunists who look for easy prey; it's about power. They can be often be dissuaded from committing the crime by depriving them of that perception of power and making them fear being caught or injured in the process, which is primarily where the deterrent aspect of this device comes into play.

No, it's hidden. How can it deter anyone if they don't know it's there?

If it's not hidden, than they'll see it and realize, "Fuck this shit" and it's not going to catch anyone.
 
Whatever you guys want to believe. Go right ahead and believe it. Just know that you wouldn't use such words at the dinner table with your grand parents present. Some things just shouldn't be said (in such detail) in front of others.

Do you talk about rape in front of your grandparents at the dinner table? If you do, then these words bring nothing else to the table that would cause offense. If you do not, then you could have simply avoided this thread, as it is neither a dinner table, nor are your grandparents present. Context matters.

Hello? It's the internet. Granted, your grandparents are not reading this thread, but if it isn't your grandparents, then it could be somebody else's grandparents (who would be offended by such talk). Thats the whole point I am trying to make. This is a public forum where many people could be seriously offended by the lack of disregard of tasteless communication that was used in this thread.
 
Whatever you guys want to believe. Go right ahead and believe it. Just know that you wouldn't use such words at the dinner table with your grand parents present. Some things just shouldn't be said (in such detail) in front of others.

Do you talk about rape in front of your grandparents at the dinner table? If you do, then these words bring nothing else to the table that would cause offense. If you do not, then you could have simply avoided this thread, as it is neither a dinner table, nor are your grandparents present. Context matters.

Hello? It's the internet. Granted, your grandparents are not reading this thread, but if it isn't your grandparents, then it could be somebody else's grandparents. Thats the whole point I am trying to make. This is a public forum where many people could be seriously offended by the lack of disregard of tasteless communication that was used in this thread.

Um...

Don't talk about anything disagreeable on the internets!

Here, look at this kiddy-porn while I pull up a Grimm's Fairy Tale.
 
Whatever you guys want to believe. Go right ahead and believe it. Just know that you wouldn't use such words at the dinner table with your grand parents present. Some things just shouldn't be said (in such detail) in front of others.

Do you talk about rape in front of your grandparents at the dinner table? If you do, then these words bring nothing else to the table that would cause offense. If you do not, then you could have simply avoided this thread, as it is neither a dinner table, nor are your grandparents present. Context matters.

Hello? It's the internet. Granted, your grandparents are not reading this thread, but if it isn't your grandparents, then it could be somebody else's grandparents. Thats the whole point I am trying to make. This is a public forum where many people could be seriously offended by the lack of disregard of tasteless communication that was used in this thread.

You are here, in a thread that specifically talks about rape. The thread title is "Female Condom Unveiled for World Cup". If nothing else, the discussion was going to be about female condoms and their specifics. Do you talk about that at the dinner table? Would you walk into a bar and complain to the patrons that they shouldn't be drinking in such a place?

A bar is a public place, and you are free to enter and leave at your discretion if you do not like the environment. When walking into a thread like this, you must be willing to expect such things. The thread should not have to bend to your wishes simply because you show up. It is up to you whether you want to continue or walk away. Either way, this thread is about rape and the terrible disruption of lives that goes with it. If you are not prepared to handle such a topic, then it is best to walk away rather than chide others for your unwillingness to face the issue head on with all the undesirable effects thereof.
 
Do you talk about rape in front of your grandparents at the dinner table? If you do, then these words bring nothing else to the table that would cause offense. If you do not, then you could have simply avoided this thread, as it is neither a dinner table, nor are your grandparents present. Context matters.

Hello? It's the internet. Granted, your grandparents are not reading this thread, but if it isn't your grandparents, then it could be somebody else's grandparents. Thats the whole point I am trying to make. This is a public forum where many people could be seriously offended by the lack of disregard of tasteless communication that was used in this thread.

You are here, in a forum that specifically talks about rape. The thread title is "Female Condom Unveiled for World Cup". Would you walk into a bar and complain to the patrons that they shouldn't be drinking in such a place?

A bar is a public place, and you are free to enter and leave at your discretion if you do not like the environment. When walking into a thread like this, you must be willing to expect such things. The thread should not have to bend to your wishes simply because you show up. It is up to you whether you want to continue or walk away. Either way, this thread is about rape and the terrible disruption of lives that goes with it. If you are not prepared to handle such a topic, then it is best to walk away rather than chide others for your unwillingness to face the issue head on with all the undesirable effects thereof.

Marry me, please.
 
Ah. And hidden Prince-esque Pussy Control is the exact deterrent rapists need.

Just in the way the death penalty is going to conrol my enraged self from killing the man I walk in on fucking my wife.

The mindset behind committing rape is not the same as that behind committing murder in the heat of passion, where by definition you are not thinking clearly and are overwhelmed by emotion. Rapists are opportunists who look for easy prey; it's about power. They can be often be dissuaded from committing the crime by depriving them of that perception of power and making them fear being caught or injured in the process, which is primarily where the deterrent aspect of this device comes into play.

No, it's hidden. How can it deter anyone if they don't know it's there?

National publicity through articles like this one and perhaps some testimonials by victims/police or stories about rapists caught in the penis fly trap. The goal is preferably for it to act as a deterrent before the crime is even underway.

Hello? It's the internet. Granted, your grandparents are not reading this thread, but if it isn't your grandparents, then it could be somebody else's grandparents (who would be offended by such talk). Thats the whole point I am trying to make. This is a public forum where many people could be seriously offended by the lack of disregard of tasteless communication that was used in this thread.

I know my grandparents like to surf teh internets in search of rape topics on Star Trek boards.

So, you've gone from bringing God into this for no good reason to worrying about imaginary grandparents being surprised and offended by a clearly marked thread about female condoms which mentions rape in the OP, and yet you still can't post your alternative "natural" rape deterrents?

Stop wasting everyone's time with your irrelevant concerns. We're having an adult discussion here. If you can't deal with it, show yourself out.
 
Honestly. Do you really think that I meant that grandparents everywhere surf trek boards under such topics to get offended? Wow. You not only blew my mind. But this guy's mind, too...

http://media.photobucket.com/image/star trek gif/wonkybiff/gifs/66awbkn.gif?o=195


Oh, and thank you for making me feel welcome within the thread, too. I appreciate that.

:)


P.S. ~ Anyways, it is still wrong to talk about child rape in any type of detail in public, man. You can sugar coat it all you want. It still is not right. Even within this type of thread.

P.P.S ~ Also, a bar is a place where you have to be 18 (Here in the US) in order to enter in. Again, this is a public forum where people of all ages and types can see it.
 
^Yes, I agree, let's shove the subject under the carpet and pretend it doesn't happen.

That'll make everything much better, won't it ?
 
Honestly. Do you really think that I meant that grandparents everywhere surf trek boards under such topics to get offended? Wow. You not only blew my mind. But this guy's mind, too...

http://media.photobucket.com/image/star%20trek%20gif/wonkybiff/gifs/66awbkn.gif?o=195


Oh, and thank you for making me feel welcome within the thread, too. I appreciate that.

:)

No one has told you to leave. You, however, have expressed your desire for everyone to bend to your will merely because you say so, and that is simply not acceptable in a community forum where you hold no such authority. The offer to leave is voluntary and conditional on the idea that you wouldn't want to stay here, around what you would find objectionable.

P.S. ~ Anyways, it is still wrong to talk about child rape in any type of detail in public, man. You can sugar coat it all you want. It still is not right. Even within this type of thread.
That is your opinion. You are welcome to it. It does not change anything previously stated.
 
^Yes, I agree, let's shove the subject under the carpet and pretend it doesn't happen.

That'll make everything much better, won't it ?

Hermiod:

I never suggested to ignore this topic. All I am saying that it is wrong to talk about the actual act of it in gory tasteless detail using words that your grandparents would be ashamed of hearing you use.
 
^Yes, I agree, let's shove the subject under the carpet and pretend it doesn't happen.

That'll make everything much better, won't it ?

Hermiod:

I never suggested to ignore this topic. All I am saying that it is wrong to talk about the actual act of it in gory tasteless detail using words that your grandparents would be ashamed of hearing you use.

In a thread about female condoms and rape.
 
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