Fear the Walking Dead Season 2 discussion and spoilers.

[TREK_GOD_1]

Besides, I can imagine a horrible fate would await the two youngest children had they been evacuated. I don't think they would have lasted as long as Sam http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Sam_Anderson_(TV_Series)

My point was that the group should have remained on the island, where they have control of the entire land, and not have to deal with other, endlessly connected areas of towns, cities and states like Rick's group, who eventually ran into numerous living and reanimated threats thanks to all having access to each other. An island removes that kind of constant danger.

Regarding Sam lasting longer--I disagree. The youngest children understood what walkers were, and how they had to be killed (recall the action figure with the red forehead dot simulating a gunshot). Sam was completely sheltered from the reality of the ZA, then rendered shell shocked / looney by the Wolves' attack and walkers. Being raised in that way would have made him least able to survive than any other child ever seen in TWD / FTWD.

I think a "power pill" is preferable to being eaten alive, don't you?

Suicide is not preferable, and its not island father's position to play judge over the lives of his family. If island father was so convinced suicide was the way out, then should have exercised that option for himself, and not forced his paranoia on anyone else.

 

[theenglish]

Did we ever get any actual evidence that the father was planning on "Jonestowning" his family? Is it not possible that the pills were there in case the family was caught in a no win situation? It would certainly be a preferable end for the young kids than being torn apart by zombies.

 

[sojourner]

The mother of the kids was pretty convinced that was the father's plan. Otherwise, why would she be so desperate to get her kids away from there?

 

[theenglish]

The mother of the kids was pretty convinced that was the father's plan. Otherwise, why would she be so desperate to get her kids away from there?

SHE was convinced, but we never actually got any true evidence that was actually the father's plan.

 

[publiusr]

My point was that the group should have remained on the island, where they have control of the entire land

Agreed. An island you can clear a bit at a time is the perfect refuge--better than Alexandria.

Suicide is not preferable, and its not island father's position to play judge over the lives of his family. If island father was so convinced suicide was the way out, then should have exercised that option for himself, and not forced his paranoia on anyone else.

From his perspective--only killing himself would have been abandoning them--letting them die by inches. He could imagine them being slaves to someone like Negan. A concentration camp life.

Now--had it been me--I might have asked this group to maybe take the island back if possible--what with more manpower.

Did we ever get any actual evidence that the father was planning on "Jonestowning" his family? Is it not possible that the pills were there in case the family was caught in a no win situation? It would certainly be a preferable end for the young kids than being torn apart by zombies.

He probably thought this was already a no-win situation. The floaters just keep washing up. Like brushing the ocean back with a broom.

Now we know, after watching years of THE WALKING DEAD, that the situation is manageable. We would have dealt with the situation differently of course. The sudden outbreak caught the dad dead in his tracks.

We are not in his same mindset. Rick in fact was more a true survivalist than he. Deanna died on her feet. The folks in Alexandria were in a fools paradise.. But here--this situation was so fresh that the Dad just wanted to shut down. The initial shock was spared Rick. He just thought everyone was dead--and he saw more and more evidence of life.

The Dad here--well--he went the other way. This was a countdown he wanted to spare his family from. It is about time--how fresh the horror was.

In his mind--the warheads are on their way in--and its the pills or burn, as it were.

Folks jumped from the Twin Towers for similar reasons after all--some hand in hand--that sort of thing.

 

[shapeshifter]

Much better episode!

Not perfect, or even on par with most WD, but definitely improvement in the drama department. I hope this signals a corner turn for the show, that the nail biting, butt clenching drama I crave from the franchise is on the upswing.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

From his perspective--only killing himself would have been abandoning them--letting them die by inches. He could imagine them being slaves to someone like Negan. A concentration camp life.

That's still not his choice, and cities are more likely to suffer roaming scavengers / killers thanks to a wealth of resources (in cities & towns) at this early point in the ZA. That would be the first interest of the Negans of the world, not risking going to an island.


Episode three: "Ouroboros"--

So, this is the resolution to the Flight 462 webisodes.The characters and storyline of the webisodes were not really engaging--just another setting to the early outbreak. The crash landing only ends up being the source of the zombie attack, but the airplane subplot was not needed for that

Strand: He's right about not trusting the group--and putting Madison in her place about not being a killer.

Madison: She's alive thanks to the mercy of Strand, yet keeps shooting her mouth off with her "flippers" comment, and
"I'm not known for my diplomacy.". For someone with no right to anything, she has a big mouth & horrible attitude. Is she supposed to be someone to root for? Aside from Ed (Carol's husband) and Shane, I cannot think of another character that was an out-of-the-gates asshole so early in a series.

"I will throw you overboard" In what world is that even remotely realistic? Constant threats? Where are her fighting skills coming from--because that's what she would need to manhandle Strand.

Daniel: Playing the separatist bullshit (about the others) with his daughter. Talking to Strand "would not end well." So, he's enormously hostile at a point when he has no justifiable reason to be.

He tries to admonish Nick about his joke (in reference to the dead)--this from the man who tortured an innocent soldier?

Travis: "I am not the help." Really? Then he's a freeloader, not first mate.

So, he's not trusting Strand? What are his options? I guess he could go back to L.A.....

Nick: Still drug seeking.
Who would stand on a sandy mound overlooking a pit? Anyway, he's discovered walker camouflage.

Alicia: she's just sort of there, and trying to assert herself to Madison, but being an ass regarding the airplane survivors, as if she has a voice in any of it.

Chris: It seems his arc is to move from being depressed to venting his frustrations through violence--from learning how to kill fence walkers, to the airplane victim, et al..

Zombie with..crabs: itchy.

What part of survival are the freeloaders--er--group not getting?

 

[sojourner]

All I know is that I am thankful for 2 things.

1. Trek_God_1 is not a writer on the show.


2. I am not stuck in the ZA with him.

 

[EmoBorg]

I wonder what happened to the third survivor from the lifeboat.

BTW, dick move from Strand.

 

[jbny67]

I wonder what happened to the third survivor from the lifeboat.

He was the walker who's arm is caught in the port on the bottom of the boat.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

BTW, dick move from Strand.

How? Either a person is intent on surviving, or they are not. Strand's boat is not Princess Cruises, with grand resources and room. Further, he's trying to--or saying he's trying to avoid a boat following them. He cannot save everyone, and its preposterous for a loudmouth like Madison to bark orders at the person who saved her family.

Let me ask you this: in TWD's "Clear," was it a "dick move" for Rick to leave the begging man on the highway, ignoring his pleas for help--only to take his belongings after he was killed?

 

[EmoBorg]

How? Either a person is intent on surviving, or they are not. Strand's boat is not Princess Cruises, with grand resources and room. Further, he's trying to--or saying he's trying to avoid a boat following them. He cannot save everyone, and its preposterous for a loudmouth like Madison to bark orders at the person who saved her family.

Let me ask you this: in TWD's "Clear," was it a "dick move" for Rick to leave the begging man on the highway, ignoring his pleas for help--only to take his belongings after he was killed?

Well Strand was a part of a group and in that group Madison,Travis,Nick, Alicia,Chris, Daniel and Ofelia did not seem to mind the extra two guest and they compromised by towing the two on a lifeboat in case the kid turned.

They had debated about it and came to a decision. Strand disregarded the group decision.

As for Rick, there was no discussion and If i am not wrong, Michonne was driving during that scene. She did not stop as well. They both silently seem to have come to an agreement about not stopping.

As for the taking of his belongings, i would have done the same. The guy was dead. He had no use for them. The living could have a use for them.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

How? Either a person is intent on surviving, or they are not. Strand's boat is not Princess Cruises, with grand resources and room. Further, he's trying to--or saying he's trying to avoid a boat following them. He cannot save everyone, and its preposterous for a loudmouth like Madison to bark orders at the person who saved her family.

Let me ask you this: in TWD's "Clear," was it a "dick move" for Rick to leave the begging man on the highway, ignoring his pleas for help--only to take his belongings after he was killed?

Even though they are not remotely comparable situations since Rick was in a full car with fewer people and not a well-provisioned mega-yacht heading to a supposedly well-provisioned fortress mansion, and Rick was living well into the ZA where people were more actively preying on each other versus the first weeks of the ZA here, yes, it was a dick move on his part to leave the guy behind, and I think he regretted it and adjusted his policy as a result. Taking the belongings once the guy was dead wasn't wrong, but not helping him originally was. I remember commenting on how cold it was at the time the episode aired.

Also, Strand took on Nick because of his heroin addict survivalist superpowers, and if he had spent a few minutes with the woman in the raft instead of cutting her loose he might have learned that she seems to have some insider knowledge about the origins of the ZA or the government response to it (as per the short) which could come in handy for keeping them alive. She was also pretty resourceful and smart.

The kid they should just put out of his misery as the guy on the raft suggested, though. He's not going to live under these conditions, only suffer a long and agonizing death and turn, so prolonging his suffering is cruel.

If you're trying to avoid a boat following you, dragging a raft behind you (even if only for a little while) and then cutting it loose, leaving a pissed off survivor with intel about your boat, the number of people on it, and the direction you're heading seems like a bad idea to me. It would probably have been better to take her on board. Yeah, you can't save everyone, but one potentially useful person doesn't seem like a bad exchange.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Even though they are not remotely comparable situations since Rick was in a full car with fewer people, and Rick was living well into the ZA where people were more actively preying on each other versus the first weeks of the ZA here, yes, it was a dick move on his part to leave the guy behind, and I think he regretted it and adjusted his policy as a result.

The car had room in the back seat. After piling up the back of the car with a crib and weapons, they still had room for the guy's large backpack--which the guy could have placed in his lap wile sitting next to Carl. But long before the collection of Morgan's weapons, they passed the begging man, and ignored him. so I agree that it was a dick move.

and not a well-provisioned mega-yacht heading to a supposedly well-provisioned fortress mansion

Supplies are not infinite, and as of E3, the boat was having problems.

Also, Strand took on Nick because of his heroin addict survivalist superpowers, and if he had spent a few minutes with the woman in the raft instead of cutting her loose he might have learned that she seems to have some insider knowledge about the origins of the ZA or the government response to it (as per the short) which could come in handy for keeping them alive. She was also pretty resourceful and smart.

Well, since we know Kirkman ran screaming from any sort of explanation of the origins of the ZA, I doubt the woman was ever going to talk about what caused the ZA. The government response--ultimately--was known to all with the riot control, army takeover, "cobalt," and the firebombing, which the main characters were all aware of.

The kid they should just put out of his misery as the guy on the raft suggested, though. He's not going to live under these conditions, only suffer a long and agonizing death and turn, so prolonging his suffering is cruel.

...and everyone saw the condition of the kid, so contrary to Alicia's irrational demands, it would make no sense to bring a dying person on the boat, knowing what will happen.

If you're trying to avoid a boat following you, dragging a raft behind you (even if only for a little while) and then cutting it loose, leaving a pissed off survivor with intel about your boat, the number of people on it, and the direction you're heading seems like a bad idea to me. It would probably have been better to take her on board. Yeah, you can't save everyone, but one potentially useful person doesn't seem like a bad exchange.

The problem is that Madison has no off switch or even a grain of common sense. She (and her brood) seem to think they are on the Love Boat, where they have the means to stop at every port and pick up everyone, but eventually, they will run into dangerous survivors who mask intentions long enough to either get on the boat, or force a situation on land (probably next week, if the previews are not misleading). If Strand is in survival mode, he cannot allow misguided people to continue to try to derail the mission by trying to act like this is some pleasure ride to Catalina.

 

[davejames]

All I know is that I am thankful for 2 things.

1. Trek_God_1 is not a writer on the show.


2. I am not stuck in the ZA with him.

Jeez, no kidding. Apparently once the ZA strikes we're just supposed to throw all compassion and humanity out the window and become a bunch of ruthless, cold-hearted survivors like Strand who are only interested in saving the bare minimum of people that we're forced to bring along.

Hell, even the Rick of today is more willing to give people a chance if they prove themselves to be good people, or people who can fight or contribute to the group in some way. And you'd certainly think someone like Alex would qualify for that, given her ability to fight and survive a freakin plane crash.

And I know I'd definitely want her by my side over a Chris or Ophelia.

 

[sojourner]

Come to think of it. Cutting them loose could be a big mistake on Strand's part, since they openly talked about the place in Mexico in front of her.

 

[Morpheus 02]

All I know is that I am thankful for 2 things.

1. Trek_God_1 is not a writer on the show.


2. I am not stuck in the ZA with him.

Count me in as a 3rd.

Jeez, no kidding. Apparently once the ZA strikes we're just supposed to throw all compassion and humanity out the window and become a bunch of ruthless, cold-hearted survivors like Strand who are only interested in saving the bare minimum of people that we're forced to bring along.

Hell, even the Rick of today is more willing to give people a chance if they prove themselves to be good people, or people who can fight or contribute to the group in some way. And you'd certainly think someone like Alex would qualify for that, given her ability to fight and survive a freakin plane crash.

And I know I'd definitely want her by my side over a Chris or Ophelia.

I am glad Alex is joining...but the way the episode left her, how does she get into the group? She was little more than a cameo -- though I agree with DaveJames -- she needs to be on the team

Now, with all the people saying civilization's rules have changed -- one of those rules that should immediately change is Property Rights.

And especially with Strand... yes,his boat, and they crew should be grateful. But Strand should be a bit more humble. If they all left.. would he have been able to fix his boat? It's not like he can fire Travis and replace him with someone who probably wouldn't immediately take over the ship .

And if Strand were to die -- whether by human or walker or accident, his boat doesn't have bio-security, right? They'd take over in that case.

He's very suspicious ... a fully stocked boat, untouched by anyone during the initial outbreak??? I mean NO crew waiting for him, or maintaining the boat? Not even a security guard? He's lucky he hasn't been completely commandeered by now.

 

[hux]

The people that went to the beach all engaged in classic dumb (only happens in TV) behaviour. The slow moving zombies are coming; let's back away at a similar pace until we're cornered.

I've got as gun so I'll shoot randomly from a distance.

Oh look... a hole with a crab-happy zombie. I'll stand on the edge and watch for a bit because, you know... post apocalyptic entertainment is hard to come by.

Travis needs to deck Strand. It's my boat! Well that's easily of fixed by throwing him overboard.

I'm gonna find the aeroplane thing on YouTube. Might give me some context.

Presumably that woman will return at some point.

 

[Crow T. Robot]

Hell, even the Rick of today is more willing to give people a chance if they prove themselves to be good people, or people who can fight or contribute to the group in some way. And you'd certainly think someone like Alex would qualify for that, given her ability to fight and survive a freakin plane crash.

To be fair, that's largely because Rick's group has the resources and space to take on more people. They're trying to build a village community with tons of available real estate and ways to aid it; Strand is on the ocean in a yacht that can only handle so many people without everyone suffering. Those are vastly different scenarios.

And if I remember correctly, back in between Rick's group having the prison and Alexandria, they turned away more than they welcomed in (unless they were forced to). Even Hershel was more like Strand than Rick on his farm, due to the limited space and resources.

 

[davejames]

Well judging by that first meal of theirs, they apparently have more than enough to spare for the occasional survivor that comes along. And let's not forget the two capable fishermen on board.

And I'm pretty sure I remember times when Rick's group was just barely scraping by, but they would still at least make an attempt to help people in need. The times when they would just coldly turn people away (such as when Rick was in one of his darker moods) feels more like the exception than the rule.

Obviously I understand there are limitations and it's smart to be suspicious of any new strangers that come along, but I don't think that means not even giving people a chance. And given the huge zombie threat out there, I think I'd want as many friends and capable fighters by my side as possible.