Fear the Walking Dead Season 2 discussion and spoilers.

[davejames]

Most people at this early stage would surely assume that whatever this infection/outbreak is, it will ultimately (hopefully) be dealt with and cured. Its unlikely that they'd be thinking... "It's definitely the end of the world so let's start killing people."

Add to that, the fact that they're also at sea and therefore, pretty damn safe and this makes the idea that they would elect to abandon civilisation and become bad-ass pirate muderers, a little hard to swallow.

I'm willing to suspend disbelief but its definitely a legitimate criticism.

Maybe, but I can also see the argument that this is a very different and MUCH scarier kind of outbreak than the kinds we're used to in our world. People aren't just spreading disease and dying, they're coming back from the dead, chasing people around in giant hordes and then freakin eating them.

Add to that the fact that the world's richest and most powerful governments have seemingly collapsed almost overnight, and I think people have cause to freak out and overreact a bit.

 

[davejames]

davejames, you already admit you find the characters annoying. At least you--instead of some board members --do not put on blinders, or pretend its all good....sort of like the TREK BBS version of Chris Hardwick.

I don't think anybody here thinks the show is perfect; but that's different from relentlessly picking apart every single thing in every single episode and seeing everything in the most cynical light possible.

Whatever issues the show may have, it's still much better-crafted and executed than the utter travesty some on here like to portray it as.

 

[shapeshifter]

For my part, my problem is with the dumb ass characters. I don't care about the Apocalypse or how it's beginnings are portrayed, (well I did, but that ship * already sailed) Now I just want the characters and drama to draw me in hook line and sinker* the way TWD did/does. (*no puns intended) That's just not happening. What is happening is lots of WTF?s They're not acting normally!

If these people are acting as intended then does anyone truly believe they have a chance in heck they will believably survive? I mean it's okay to be stupid but there has got to be an expiration date, a line over which doing dumb things gets you zombiefied. Right now everyone appears to be surviving on pure luck!

And look here, you don't see what I am talking about with these characters? Great! Perhaps you have somehow tuned into the intended mindset required to enjoy the show. Please share your reasoning's with the rest of us that we too may achieve the same nirvana with FtWD that you have. We want to believe!

Otherwise yeah, based on the potential I know is possible for this show given it's parent, I will keep tuning in with fingers crossed they eventually hit their stride and FtWD becomes everything (left) we hoped it would be.

Damn, where'd all that come from? Longest post ever.

 

[kitik]

The trailer for next week's show even has Victor saying "the dead aren't the threat, its people that are." It took Rick and company months to get to that philosophy.

Yeah, but let's be clear about this. Strand operates on a different level. He has a very different perception of people. You could tell from the very first time we heard him speak last season that he was playing a longer game than just surviving the end of the day.

The Salvadorian father I think is the second most interesting character. His daughter? Uhhh. She's there?

She definitely had the least significant role on the season premiere. Let's see if they give her a story arc and something to do, or if she's just destined to end up as shark bait. Though at this point her dad would lose most of his motivation if he lost her too, so for the sake of his character, they need to keep her around. It would be one thing if he was already a lone wolf when we met him, but now that she's survived this long, it seems like he would have a tough time moving forward without her.

Most people at this early stage would surely assume that whatever this infection/outbreak is, it will ultimately (hopefully) be dealt with and cured.

Reading this made me realize, we didn't really hear anything this week from the characters about hoping that this infection could be cured, did we? They're not really counting on the government to save them anymore. After what they went through in the first season, they know they're on their own. And at this point, I think they realize that they're going to be on their own for probably a very long time.

 

[davejames]

For my part, my problem is with the dumb ass characters. I don't care about the Apocalypse or how it's beginnings are portrayed, (well I did, but that ship * already sailed) Now I just want the characters and drama to draw me in hook line and sinker* the way TWD did/does. (*no puns intended) That's just not happening. What is happening is lots of WTF?s They're not acting normally!

If these people are acting as intended then does anyone truly believe they have a chance in heck they will believably survive? I mean it's okay to be stupid but there has got to be an expiration date, a line over which doing dumb things gets you zombiefied. Right now everyone appears to be surviving on pure luck!

And look here, you don't see what I am talking about with these characters? Great! Perhaps you have somehow tuned into the intended mindset required to enjoy the show. Please share your reasoning's with the rest of us that we too may achieve the same nirvana with FtWD that you have. We want to believe!

Otherwise yeah, based on the potential I know is possible for this show given it's parent, I will keep tuning in with fingers crossed they eventually hit their stride and FtWD becomes everything (left) we hoped it would be.

Damn, where'd all that come from? Longest post ever.

I'd say the characters as created are acting fairly "normally" given their circumstances. I think the problem might be more with how they were established in the first place-- as this incredibly dysfunctional family who seem to spend more time being difficult and squabbling with each other than dealing with the zombie apocalypse happening around them. I think the writers definitely went a bit overboard with that aspect.

Although that said, I still really like the idea of following people who are completely new to this and didn't just immediately become a bunch of badass zombie killers. Because then it really would be just a carbon copy of the original show. And I like that this one is approaching things in a different kind of way.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I mocked the teen girl because it was annoyingly obvious what they doing there

Yes, it was obvious. No show should send up flares to let the audience know where the plot is going.

I don't think anybody here thinks the show is perfect; but that's different from relentlessly picking apart every single thing in every single episode and seeing everything in the most cynical light possible.

Not picking apart ot cynical--its taking the series as its presented. Wanna bet how many characters do something predictable and life-threatening in episode two?

For my part, my problem is with the dumb ass characters. I don't care about the Apocalypse or how it's beginnings are portrayed, (well I did, but that ship * already sailed) Now I just want the characters and drama to draw me in hook line and sinker* the way TWD did/does. (*no puns intended) That's just not happening. What is happening is lots of WTF?s They're not acting normally!

True--they are acting to jump the story to early conflicts, since the producers know it will be compared to TWD's established action/patterns, instead of trying to show a natural progression in the early weeks of the ZA.

If these people are acting as intended then does anyone truly believe they have a chance in heck they will believably survive? I mean it's okay to be stupid but there has got to be an expiration date, a line over which doing dumb things gets you zombiefied. Right now everyone appears to be surviving on pure luck!

Most should not survive, as they do not have many in their group with fighting/survival skills. TWD season one had Rick, Shane, Glenn, Daryl; T-Dog, and Dale --all experienced with firearms. In FTWD, they are just running around with no real skills. Sure, no one comes out of the womb a soldier, but if you remove Strand and Daniel, the rest seem more interested in emotionalism instead of thinking about the best way to survive.

And look here, you don't see what I am talking about with these characters? Great! Perhaps you have somehow tuned into the intended mindset required to enjoy the show. Please share your reasoning's with the rest of us that we too may achieve the same nirvana with FtWD that you have. We want to believe!

 

[Enterprise is Great]

AMC renews FTWD for third season - http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/fear-the-walking-dead-renewed-for-season-3-on-amc-1201754580/

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Unless this series makes a natural turn toward stories that are not just characters bickering, or creating west coast Governor clones, I think a third season might be difficult to pull off.

 

[sojourner]

Well, they got the money to do another season. I'm sure they'll think of something to film.

 

[Trekker4747]

Unless this series makes a natural turn toward stories that are not just characters bickering, or creating west coast Governor clones, I think a third season might be difficult to pull off.

Yes, because there's only a finite number of stories in the world and.... we just ran out. Man, FTWD is fucked!

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Yes, because there's only a finite number of stories in the world and.... we just ran out. Man, FTWD is fucked!

You would think so, for all of the charges of "rinse and repeat" tossed at the parent series, which will influence FTWD to some degree.

 

[publiusr]

I did think that, while foolish, the swim and look-around of the zombie/overturned/one-thousand-bullet-holes boat was pretty cool. And speaking of cool boats, I like the Abigail. That's some swanky stuff..

Looked like somebody opened up on it with a Bofors.

They may head northeast and wreck upon the Farallon Islands
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farallon_Islands
"The Islands of the Dead."

Best not go swimming there--with the Great Whites.

 

[theenglish]

One possibility that has not been discussed (but I haven't seen any previews of tonight's episode) is that the attackers of the boat were military. At the beginning of the episode we see the military bombing LA so it is perfectly logically that they want to kill anyone leaving by boat, car, or air to contain the outbreak if possible.

As for liking this show, I am hoping it gets better but right now I am watching more because I've watched the other series for the past six years than for the quality of FTWD itself.

 

[auntiehill]

^This. I can't say I particularly like or care about any of these people. I don't even find them all that interesting.

On WD, I liked Rick, at the start...then Glenn, Herschel and Daryl and then Carol, etc. I was really/am really emotionally invested in the characters and had someone to root for; I was curious to see what happened. Here? Nope. Don't care. I'm watching it because my husband watches it; that's pretty much it. They're boring, unpleasant, or downright unlikable characters and they've somehow managed to a make the Zombie Apocalypse boring.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

"We All Fall Down"--

Strand: it seems he was talking to someone ahead--but did the "clear" line refer to the boat they were trying to outrun, or--

Travis: would anyone in their right mind just start walking up on a ZA property and yelling out? What if the occupants were like Joe's Claimers? Randall's gang? Travis' family cannot fight, and were not armed. How much sense does that make? Getting drunk around strangers?

Nick: jeopardizing the safety of his family by seeking drugs? Yeah--he thinks the pills are lethal, but Nick's original motive is the same self-serving BS. The series cannot keep this "flawed hero" crap going on as he's not realistic, but TV loving to prop up lowlife characters. Who would tolerate such self serving BS during a fight to survive?

Daniel: Where the hell does he get off questioning the ownership of Strand's boat? "A" or "my" is interchangeable in loose conversation. Breaking into his locker? He deserves to be kicked off of the boat.

Ofelia: Wha--? She thinks they can just force their way on a family's property without being asked? This band of non-fighters (save for maybe two) is going to take whatever they want?

Madison: Oh, so thinking of taking a parent's children seems like a good idea? How can she promise to keep anyone safe, when she cannot guarantee that for herself? Who the hell is she to order Strand to do anything?

The Redshirt Family:
George: So, according George, almost half the country shut down (communications?) in only a few weeks of the ZA?

Melissa the mother: Well, that was fast. Her intentions were good, but the writers piled on the weight: suicidal husband and she has multiple sclerosis?

Youngest boy: takes a pill "vitamin" to keep the family together?

Seth the son. So, he was on board with his father's idiotic suicide plans.

 

[sojourner]

I think Nicks the best part of the show besides Strand.

 

[EmoBorg]

I think Nicks the best part of the show besides Strand.

I agree with you on that as well. Daniel and Madison need to further develop as characters. Travis can be TWD Dale in this series. Madison and Travis are a good contrast to Daniel and Strand.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

George: So, according George, almost half the country shut down (communications?) in only a few weeks of the ZA?

Well, according to George, 'almost half the country' means 'from California to Colorado'. Seems a bit suspect to me.

Not to mention his assumptions seemed based on Ranger stations going dark, though those aren't exactly grouped around major population centers (and isn't it pretty early for that many Ranger Stations to have gone dark already, anyway? Low population, secluded areas should be relatively safe).

 

[davejames]

Yeah knowing what we know, it seems like a stretch to think the kids would be any safer with Maddie's group... but at the same time the father was a bit of a nut job who seemed ready to kill his family anyway, so I guess it was the best option they had.

And personally I like that they're not pretending Nick has been magically cured from his years of drug addiction, and that he still has his cravings and need to get a fix. And given the stressful situation they're in, it's only natural that he would still have that need.

I also don't think Maddie and Daniel are wrong to be suspicious of Strand either. I know many on here only want to take the side of the stronger and more ruthless characters for some reason, but that shouldn't mean they're automatically right in everything they do and shouldn't be questioned.

 

[Garak]

Wow this show is just terrible, what a waste of a good opportunity. Hopefully they can turn this around.

The actors and characters are one of the more unique combinations of awful I've ever witnessed. The writing leaves a lot to be desired.

It's a pity too, because the elements of a decent show are all there but they just aren't able to put it together with this awful writing and cast.

Girl who walks around and opens up doors while listening to music on her headphones was a new low of stupid.