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Favorite version of TMP?
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As good of a job as the DE did in pepping up the film, there were so many little moments from the TV/special longer version that I really miss seeing.
I gladly bought the DE on DVD and I picked up the recent box set on DVD for the theatrical cuts of both TMP and TUC, but my preferred, would- buy-on-day-one-Bluray-set would include all three versions.
I gladly bought the DE on DVD and I picked up the recent box set on DVD for the theatrical cuts of both TMP and TUC, but my preferred, would- buy-on-day-one-Bluray-set would include all three versions.
^ Ditto, though I would prefer a blending of the DE and the long TV version. The pacing doesn't bore me as it does others.
As for voting, with only one choice, I have to go with the TV version over the DE, simply because of what was removed from the latter rather than what was added.
As for voting, with only one choice, I have to go with the TV version over the DE, simply because of what was removed from the latter rather than what was added.
Paramount put a hard deadline on the release of the film, then production fell behind schedule and it was released before it was really finished. If the editing of the TE seems flawed, it’s because Wise and his editing team didn’t have an opportunity to finish editing until the DE.
BTW, can anybody point to a website identifying all the differences between the three versions? TE/DE comparisons of TWOK and TUC would also be interesting.
I wonder if it will ever be considered worthwhile to do an amalgam. I hope so!
Having watched this film a hundred times since '79, the DE is, so far, the best version. Imperfect as it is. it's a lot closer to a finished film. The other 2 versions are just too damn long and filled with unnecessary moments that bog it down. In addition, the DE sound edit helps the film a lot. Example: I never would have guessed how something as small as adding the TOS background bridge sounds would improve on the silence of the original version.
Also, ANY version of the film MUST include the "Spock tear" scene. It's the resolution the the B plot about Spock's journey and he's left without closure if it's left out.
It still needs work, and maybe someday we'll get the complete, final TMP.
Or maybe a remake done right?
Also, ANY version of the film MUST include the "Spock tear" scene. It's the resolution the the B plot about Spock's journey and he's left without closure if it's left out.
It still needs work, and maybe someday we'll get the complete, final TMP.
Or maybe a remake done right?
For me the new sound edit ruins the film. It took a serious film and turned it into another b-rated, campy, sci-fi movie. When you put campy sound effects into a serious movie well..............
When I first saw the DE it felt "off" to me. If that was the way I originally saw it I would never have gotten any interest in Star Trek.
Problems I had with the new sound mix:
The whiplash bolt lost it low rumbling and therefor lost its meanecing feel.
Who though that a chime/chirp was believable as an alert klaxon?
The removal of the computer voice and other chatter was a huge mistake. For example when Kirk and Scotty dock at the Enterprise there is an announcement of the docking of the pod was removed. There is an announcement by Engineering about a power test over the PA system when Kirk is in a corridor jut before entering Engeneering and it is repeat when Kirk is in Enineering. These subtle elements were key to the feel of the ship and the moive in general. With them gone it feels wrong.
I even miss the male computer voice. There was something about it that helped make the Enterprise feel different and unique and interesting. With it gone the Enterprise just feels like any other ship in any other movie/story.
I liked that the bridge was quiet. If they were going to add any bridge sounds I would have preferred the one used in TWOK for either the Enterprise or Reliant.
I also just noticed something for the first time in probably hundreds of viewings. If you look at the porthole to the right of Kirk's shuttlepod as Scotty reverses in to dock it with the E, a female crewmember can be seen peeking out the window to check on Scotty's parking job. Made me jump
Did you also notice that, in the on-set shot of Kirk entering through the airlock, there doesn't appear to be any trace of those viewports, nor any way for a person to be standing and looking out of them?
We only saw the inner doors of the airlock and they were already closed by the time our view switches to see them.I also just noticed something for the first time in probably hundreds of viewings. If you look at the porthole to the right of Kirk's shuttlepod as Scotty reverses in to dock it with the E, a female crewmember can be seen peeking out the window to check on Scotty's parking job. Made me jump
Did you also notice that, in the on-set shot of Kirk entering through the airlock, there doesn't appear to be any trace of those viewports, nor any way for a person to be standing and looking out of them?
There could be a sizable "waiting room" between the inner & outer doors of the lock for all we know.
This is a tough question. I like the somewhat tighter pacing of the DE, but I don't like losing some of the character moments in the TE, and in the end that makes the theatrical version the superior one for me.
Though the DE titles in gold are much improved over the last-minute white text on black background of the TE.
Though the DE titles in gold are much improved over the last-minute white text on black background of the TE.
You pretty much answered for me.
This is my fav Trek film, and each version has it's pro's and con's. Though I never found the film too long or tedious at all.
And to whomever suggested remake.....
.....OH, HELL NO!
I love DE version but I'm just watching the blu ray version great picture quality and sound but I wished that they would bring out a version with all the added extra scenes including the tv version scenes. Not my favourite film but I do love it because of it's gradure. The sets the ship the crew looking amazing !!!!
I wouldn't mind a remake at all. I love the original, and even if a remake sucked, I can go on enjoying the 1979 version. But, I'd prefer if ...
... if ...
... whoever created the remake understood that the original was an attempt at a serious science fiction epic and not a space-bound shoot-em-up, and held true to that effort in their own production. Shorten the reaction shots if you must, and there's no longer quite the need to take five minutes to reacquaint the audience with the Enterprise, but please don't add gratuitous action. In tone, it should have more in common with a movie adaptation of Rendezvous with Rama than a Star Wars flick. There should be a sense of awe, mystery, and maybe even a touch of horror or at least suspense as the mighty starship and her crew confront the ultimate unknown.
This should be a movie made with the intent of recovering its costs over the long haul and establishing the studio and franchise as having serious cinematic intent along with popcorn action flicks. It should be made as an answer to criticisms that there are no good science fiction movies made any longer. Artistic and epic, bold and subtle, a remade Star Trek: The Motion Picture should probably have a new antagonist, but still focus primarily on the human adventure of exploring the final frontier.
In short, it's a movie that will likely never be made until I have amassed my robot armies and rule the planet. Then you'll all see the perfect Star Trek movie ... oh yes! And you'll acknowledge its greatness if you know what's good for you.
... if ...
... whoever created the remake understood that the original was an attempt at a serious science fiction epic and not a space-bound shoot-em-up, and held true to that effort in their own production. Shorten the reaction shots if you must, and there's no longer quite the need to take five minutes to reacquaint the audience with the Enterprise, but please don't add gratuitous action. In tone, it should have more in common with a movie adaptation of Rendezvous with Rama than a Star Wars flick. There should be a sense of awe, mystery, and maybe even a touch of horror or at least suspense as the mighty starship and her crew confront the ultimate unknown.
This should be a movie made with the intent of recovering its costs over the long haul and establishing the studio and franchise as having serious cinematic intent along with popcorn action flicks. It should be made as an answer to criticisms that there are no good science fiction movies made any longer. Artistic and epic, bold and subtle, a remade Star Trek: The Motion Picture should probably have a new antagonist, but still focus primarily on the human adventure of exploring the final frontier.
In short, it's a movie that will likely never be made until I have amassed my robot armies and rule the planet. Then you'll all see the perfect Star Trek movie ... oh yes! And you'll acknowledge its greatness if you know what's good for you.
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