Voyager states that warp 10 is infinite velocity. So the warp scale had to have been recalibrated in order for Warp 13 to be possible.
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Voyager states that warp 10 is infinite velocity. So the warp scale had to have been recalibrated in order for Warp 13 to be possible.
Coming into the discussion late here, so hopefully nobody has already said this... the first edition of the Star Trek Encyclopedia from 1994 showed a warp scale with warp 10 as infinite velocity. I'm not sure if that came from the TNG writer's guide or what, but it definitely predated "Threshold."
And I like Prime 1701. Because I'm a retro revivalist, and that's the only one that fits into my preferred design aesthetic.
Kor
And I like Prime 1701. Because I'm a retro revivalist, and that's the only one that fits into my preferred design aesthetic.
Kor
I voted for the Galaxy. There are so many gorgeous Ent's [I love the Sovereign, the 'A', the Excelsior...] but the Galaxy is gorgeous.
From its curvaceous lines, its collossal size, to the luxurious interior, to that lovely deflector dish...I just love it. On my blu-rays I still 'ooooh' and 'aaaah' at it as it flies by.
From its curvaceous lines, its collossal size, to the luxurious interior, to that lovely deflector dish...I just love it. On my blu-rays I still 'ooooh' and 'aaaah' at it as it flies by.
Kor,
If you haven't seen this you might find it interesting.
http://www.goldennumber.net/uss-enterprise-golden-ratio-design/
And if you haven't seen this you might find it interesting:
http://www.fastcodesign.com/3044877/the-golden-ratio-designs-biggest-myth
If I had a two thousand foot long garage I'd keep the Enterprise refit in there for driving around on the weekends and in between have a couple of hundred people constantly polishing it.
But if i had to go to work in one to explore and defend the Federation. Give me the Enterprise-E.
But if i had to go to work in one to explore and defend the Federation. Give me the Enterprise-E.
Alot of effort put into debunking something for basically they width of a pencil line.
Probert really did a great job with the Galaxy-class. It felt like a believable evolution of the original ship.
But Transwarp is infinite speed (warp factor 10) so Warp 13 must be transwarp. Without any evidence that the scale has been recalibrated, we must assume it has not been.
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How can you go beyond occupying all points in the universe simultaneously?
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That's your canon.
No. Do you know what 'infinite' means?
Multiversal Drive. The third nacelle is a hyperdimensional pocket space powered by...something.
Why must we? Given two possible hypotheses;
1) the scale has been recalibrated
2) the underlying nature of physics and mathematics have altered to allow "greater than infinite" speeds - whatever that may mean
the logical choice is pretty much a no brainer - good old Occam's Razor makes the call for us, especially as every portrayal of transwarp (other than "threshold"-which is clearly shown to be a different beast to other transwarp iterations) has shown finite travel times and therefore sub warp-ten velocities.
However fast Borg Transwarp is (or slipstream, etc) it could in theory be measured using the conventional scale in terms of WF 9.9999....whatever, that much is clear, it is NOT "faster than infinite".
Therefore unless the universe has simply changed in the years leading up to AGT then the likeliest scenario (and strictly speaking the logical hypothesis unless you can offer a third option) is that the meaning of "warp 13" has changed instead
In either case, even if;
1) nacelles operated as the ship's power source - which they don't,
2) the number of nacelles had a linear relationship with power output - which we have no way of knowing or frankly even guessing (if so, why not build ten nacelled ships?)
and
3) subspace and it's physics have suddenly started to allow greater than infinite speeds (it hurts each time I type that - and it hasn't)
It still does not explain how giving the ship a 50% increase in power would allow it to achieve those logically impossible speeds.
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Did you read the entire article? The whole thing is a myth.
Why must we assume it has not. We are told on screen that Warp 10 is infinite speed and at that speed you exist at all points in the universe at once. So if you exist at all points in the universe at Warp 10, why would you need Warp 13?
In TOS we saw the Enterprise do Warp 14.1 (I think) yet in TNG era the maximum theortical speed is Warp 10. So it is reasoanble to assume the scale had been recalibrated at some point between TOS and TNG. If it's been recalibrated once it is not unreasnable to think it could have been recalibrated again.
We don't know too much about Trans Warp but it's kind of shorthand for faster Warp Drive, so the Trans Warp of TNG but not be the same as Trans Warp of TOS.
Even on Voyager we saw a couple definitions of transwarp. For example, the Borg can travel at transwarp, but do not exist in all points of the universe simultaneously.
Although, can you imagine, if the Borg's early transwarp experiments went the same as Tom Paris's in Threshold? And entire cube where the full drone compliment get turned into Borgified salamanders?
I read the whole thing. It's just as subjective as believing it exists.
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