Favorite Enterprise and why?

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by PhaserLightShow, Apr 18, 2016.

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Which (U)SS Enterprise is your favorite and why?

  1. SS Enterprise, NX-01, NX-Class

    5 vote(s)
    4.7%
  2. USS Enterprise, XCV-360

    1 vote(s)
    0.9%
  3. USS Enterprise, NCC-1701, Constitution Class (prime or Abrams universe)

    13 vote(s)
    12.3%
  4. USS Enterprise, NCC-1701, Constitution Class Refit

    38 vote(s)
    35.8%
  5. USS Enterprise, NCC-1701-A, Enterprise-Class

    5 vote(s)
    4.7%
  6. USS Enterprise, NCC-1701-B, Excelsior Class

    2 vote(s)
    1.9%
  7. USS Enterprise, NCC-1701-C, Ambassador Class

    5 vote(s)
    4.7%
  8. USS Enterprise, NCC-1701-D, Galaxy Class

    18 vote(s)
    17.0%
  9. USS Enterprise, NCC-1701-D, Galaxy-X Class (Admiral Riker, AGT)

    1 vote(s)
    0.9%
  10. USS Enterprise (formerly USS Monitor), Defiant Class (The Return, written by Will Shatner)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. USS Enterprise, NCC-1701-E, Sovereign Class

    10 vote(s)
    9.4%
  12. Other (please specify)

    5 vote(s)
    4.7%
  13. USS Enterprise, NCC-1701-J, Pizza-Cutter Class

    1 vote(s)
    0.9%
  14. USS Enterprise, NCC-1701, Ralph McQuarie-Constitution Subclass

    1 vote(s)
    0.9%
  15. USS Enterprise, NCC-1701-F, Odyssey Class

    1 vote(s)
    0.9%
  1. PhaserLightShow

    PhaserLightShow Captain Captain

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    The third nacelle allows a 50% increase in primary power, somehow allowing Transwarp Drive - Warp 13!

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  2. Yanks

    Yanks Commodore Commodore

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    :) But does not affect maneuvering.
     
  3. Kemaiku

    Kemaiku Admiral Admiral

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    Since there's no drag in space, added mass is negated by the nacelles themselves anyway, no.
     
  4. Yanks

    Yanks Commodore Commodore

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    ..and the nacelles are there to create the warp bubble, not maneuver the ship.
     
  5. Kemaiku

    Kemaiku Admiral Admiral

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    I know that, but the bubble lowers the mass of the ship so there's no such thing as added weight. And space gives no resistance to a ships momvement. So why would a third engine be a problem to the ships movement at all?
     
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  6. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    No, the nacelle itself has nothing to do with maneuvering, what I was getting at is with the nacelle positioned directly above the separation line between the saucer and secondary hull, when the saucer separates or reattaches is has a very limited window in which it can operate.
     
  7. Saul

    Saul Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Can't vote in this. I don't want my vote for my favorite ship to be attributed to my least favorite.
     
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  8. Spot261

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    Canon source? All we know is Riker states warp 13, which may or may not mean breaking the warp barrier, the scale has been recalibrated before.

    As for 50% increase in power? Without resorting to non canon game stats?
     
  9. Yanks

    Yanks Commodore Commodore

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    Great point.
     
  10. MacLeod

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    A recalibrated scale does make some sense, Intrepid Class Sustanable Cruise velocity of Warp 9.975, We saw the Galaxy Class doing Warp 9.6 wouldn't it be better to say Warp 13 instead of Warp 9.975?
     
  11. Kemaiku

    Kemaiku Admiral Admiral

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    But...this one goes up to 13.
     
  12. PhaserLightShow

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    Nacelles exist for warp speed maneuvers.

    Yes, the scale has been recalibrated before, but it was never stated in any novel that the warp scale was changed for AGT.
    If you start with 2 nacelles and get one more (if they produce the same power), then you get a 50% increase in energy. Basic math.

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  13. MacLeod

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    Isn't it the M/AM core that produces the energy that powers the nacelles and not the nacelles themselves?
     
  14. JesterFace

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    I guess the warp scale must've been recalibrated because isn't warp 10 the speed that cannot be travelled or even reached? Warp 10 means you would be in every single point of the universe at the same time?
     
  15. sojourner

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    And insufficient for the rocket equation. Another nacelle also adds mass, so your ship is now heavier and requires more power to push around so adding that third engine will not get you %50 more net energy.
     
  16. BillJ

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    Along with additional mass from that phaser cannon under the saucer.
     
  17. PhaserLightShow

    PhaserLightShow Captain Captain

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    I did not say 50% more speed, I said 50% more energy for phasers, shields, cloaks, impulse, warp, etc. That operating power is not effected by mass, though speed is.

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  18. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Never stated that it wasn't either. Also, novels aren't canon.
    Energy for the phasers, shields, cloak, and warp drive comes from the warp core, not the nacelles. And the impulse drive is powered by the impulse engines, they're not connected to the warp drive at all.

    The only thing a third nacelle really means is there's less strain on each individual nacelle, therefore allowing the ship to cruise at warp longer than it could with only two. And maybe it might even have a higher top cruising speed.
     
  19. sojourner

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    As has been pointed out, energy comes from the warp core, not the nacelles, so you fail basic math. Again.
     
  20. Spot261

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    No, not as that isn't what nacelles do and we have no idea how they work or interact. For all we know the nacelle on the top is for redundancy, a well honoured tradition in military engineering.

    Also, I never stated that the warp calibration HAD been changed, merely that we don't know so that warp 13 quote tells us next to nothing concrete. As we have been led to believe by canon sources (ie not novels or games - which aren't) that >warp 10 is a physical impossibility it is clear that SOMETHING has changed in the intervening years and it's much more sensible to speculate that it's the warp calibration rather than the laws of physics.
     
  21. Yanks

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    No, they exist to provide a warp bubble enabling fast than light space ship travel.

    ...then trek broke it's own cannon and said they can maneuver at warp.
     
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