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Fantastic Four reboot-- Casting, Rumors, Pix, ect;

Despite the fact that Captain America fought in WWII there's no hint of Cap in the MCU until his first movie, then he was retconned into the MCU history.
Not entirely true, Ross mentions the Super Soldier program in Incredible Hulk. Marvel knew they were probably going to be making a Cap film at some point, so he didn't need to be shoe-horned, they just didn't mention him directly for a while.
Cap is not mentioned though and in the first Avegners movie Coulson tells Rogers that Banner's problems started while they were trying recreate Super Soldier formula, which is a retcon. .
It's not a retcon at all. Like Tosk said, Ross mentioned that the whole point of the experiments they were doing (and Betty and Bruce were a part of) were about trying to recreate the Super-Soldier Serum.
 
Not entirely true, Ross mentions the Super Soldier program in Incredible Hulk. Marvel knew they were probably going to be making a Cap film at some point, so he didn't need to be shoe-horned, they just didn't mention him directly for a while.
Cap is not mentioned though and in the first Avegners movie Coulson tells Rogers that Banner's problems started while they were trying recreate Super Soldier formula, which is a retcon. .
It's not a retcon at all. Like Tosk said, Ross mentioned that the whole point of the experiments they were doing (and Betty and Bruce were a part of) were about trying to recreate the Super-Soldier Serum.

I don't think so, Ross needed special permission to give the serum to Blonsky, I could be wrong but I don't think it was mentioned before that.
 
Cap is not mentioned though and in the first Avegners movie Coulson tells Rogers that Banner's problems started while they were trying recreate Super Soldier formula, which is a retcon. .
It's not a retcon at all. Like Tosk said, Ross mentioned that the whole point of the experiments they were doing (and Betty and Bruce were a part of) were about trying to recreate the Super-Soldier Serum.

I don't think so, Ross needed special permission to give the serum to Blonsky, I could be wrong but I don't think it was mentioned before that.

It is possible that people might consider Banner's super soldier experimentation a retcon if they consider Ang Lee's Hulk to be official MCU. Was there ever a point when somebody stated specifically that the MCU ignores that first movie?
 
By putting RDJ in The Incredible Hulk they made it part of their overall MCU plans and just ignored the first Hulk movie. All three Hulks though seems to different power levels though at lest to me. I imagine though Spider-Man will also be different in his MCU version as well.
 
It's not a retcon at all. Like Tosk said, Ross mentioned that the whole point of the experiments they were doing (and Betty and Bruce were a part of) were about trying to recreate the Super-Soldier Serum.

I don't think so, Ross needed special permission to give the serum to Blonsky, I could be wrong but I don't think it was mentioned before that.

It is possible that people might consider Banner's super soldier experimentation a retcon if they consider Ang Lee's Hulk to be official MCU. Was there ever a point when somebody stated specifically that the MCU ignores that first movie?

I cannot be bothered to find it but someone pointed out a number of ways in which what we see is incompatible with what comes in the late hulk film and MCU films.
 
I'd rather not have a separate universe, not for the FF's sake, but for everything else - particularly since Kang apparently belongs to them for some stupid reason. I'd like to see the Secret Invasion storyline, for example, and I think they'd do well to be a part of it.

That's a fair point. Again, I guess there'd be a tradeoff either way you went.

It would seem a bit odd to have both Chitauri and Skrulls in the MCU as separate entities, but I guess the movie's Chitauri were just your run-of-the-mill Faceless Alien Horde and didn't have any Skrullish characteristics, so it wouldn't really be a problem.
The last couple days I've been looking through the Marvel Cosmic stuff on Comixology, and one of the newer ones, either an issue in the current Guardians of the Galaxy or Nova series featured Chitauri. So either they've brought them over from the Ultimate Universe, or they're now in 616 along with the Skrulls.

As for an FF adaptation, would a TV series be possibly. It wouldn't be able to have quite as much spectacle, although shows like Once Upon a Time and Defiance have done some pretty impressive things, but it would be able to focus more on the relationships, which seems to be what people really like.

I just read the first couple arcs in Mark Millar's run, and I would love to see that version of the FF on screen. I think having the FF be a family of veteran heroes, with the kids, would help to make them really feel unique and special. They could even set up the Future Foundation, and if the show is really successful do an spinoff.
 
Well, the origins are incompatable for one. Also, the Lee movie killed off the Glenn Talbot character, who has become a recurring character on Agents of SHIELD.
 
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Despite the fact that Captain America fought in WWII there's no hint of Cap in the MCU until his first movie, then he was retconned into the MCU history.
Not entirely true, Ross mentions the Super Soldier program in Incredible Hulk. Marvel knew they were probably going to be making a Cap film at some point, so he didn't need to be shoe-horned, they just didn't mention him directly for a while.

Aside from direct mention of the Super Soldier program, there is this deleted scene (you can actually jump to around the 2:00 mark)...

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEqMWoWY9oI[/yt]

And while I realize that deleted scenes aren't canon*, it does point to the intent of the film-makers and the studio to bring Cap into the fold. (As did real world comments made by Kevin Feige before production even started on Iron Man.)

*Interestingly, while deleted and therefore non-canon, the events of this scene were described as actually happening in The Avengers.

And yes, director Louis Lettenier confirms that that is meant to be Cap.




 
Banner's suicide attempt is mentioned as is his breaking of Harlem, but not the Captain America reveal. And I kind of doubt that they'd openly claim it was Cap since Universal doesn't own the rights to Captain America. And the scene cuts off before the reveal at any rate. And scenes from The Incredible Hulk do appear in both Iron Man 2 and the Avengers. Jim Wilson is also in The Incredible Hulk but I'm sure he's not related to Sam. ;)
 
It is possible that people might consider Banner's super soldier experimentation a retcon if they consider Ang Lee's Hulk to be official MCU. Was there ever a point when somebody stated specifically that the MCU ignores that first movie?
The Ang Lee Hulk is not MCU in any way. (I'm not even sure why people keep trying to make it be.) Not only is it incompatible with Incredible Hulk in many ways, the MCU is material made by Marvel Studios. The first Hulk was not made by them.

And I kind of doubt that they'd openly claim it was Cap since Universal doesn't own the rights to Captain America.
They don't own Iron Man either, didn't stop Stark having a chat with Ross.
 
Well, obviously the studio decided to go in another direction with the Cap reveal, but that and the mentions of the Super-Soldier program by Ross, Blonsky and Stark were obvious bits of foreshadowing.

ETA: So were what seemed to be a mold or model of Cap's shield in the first two Iron Man movies. And the Cap comic stowed with Howard Stark's gear.
 
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The Incredible Hulk was made by Universal not Marvel Pictures, it's likely that's the reason we haven't seen a standalone Hulk movie because they still own the movie rights. SHIELD also got a mention in the movie too.
 
^Nope. "The Incredible Hulk" was distributed by Universal, not made .That was part of the deal in giving the ownership rights back to Marvel Studios to make Hulk movies was that Universal got to distribute them. That's reason we never got a Hulk sequel. Disney doesn't want to share the pie.

None of the other Phase One movies were "made by" Paramount either, but that's why they carried the Paramount logo even after the Disney sale-- the distribution deal.
 
The 'lost in the 60's or 70's' thing could play into that though. Have Reed be a colleague of Pym's or a student of Stark Sr., involved in much of the background setting. The incudent happens and the FF are created and arrive in the present day...

No, that wouldn't be what I want, because they're still new to people in the present. Having their powers would still be a novelty and they'd need time to establish a new status quo, to get used to being in the present. That's exactly the opposite of what I'd like to see, which is a story after they've already built up a years-long legacy as the anchor of the superhero community. I don't want their powers to be new. I don't want them to be just starting out as superheroes. That's not the end of the story that's interesting to me. That's the end of the story that's failed to work cinematically on three occasions now. I don't want to see another iteration of how they get their powers. Their powers aren't even the interesting part of the Fantastic Four. What's interesting is the institution they've become. Their real power is the power of reputation and fame and influence and trust earned over a long history of achievement.

And I just don't see any way to reconcile that with the MCU, because they don't already exist in the MCU, so they'd have to be brand-new if they were added. Tony Stark already occupies the niche that Reed Richards would need to fill. That history and legacy would not be there.

It would take a major (and implausable) retcon. Something along the lines of 'the FF were there all along, but had to erase themselves from peoples conciousness for X reason, only for that to be reversed in the present'. Now everyone remembers them.

Pants isn't it ?
 
Ant-Man established that Hank Pym was a major scientist and stuff in the past even though he was never mentioned before.
 
Or the Fantastic Four just aren't necessary for the MCU. 8 years without a single mention of FF, and the MCU movies have worked out fine.

Stop pigeonholing them into someplace that they don't belong.
 
Ant-Man established that Hank Pym was a major scientist and stuff in the past even though he was never mentioned before.

Well, that's why I argued Reed Richards scientist is fine. The Invisible Girl, Human Torch, and stretchy guy are a bit more of a stretch (unless you want to make them a secret, like Pym's Ant-Man was).

ETA: I swear no pun was intended there.
 
We've mentioned the possibility of time jump episodes with Agent Carter (not time travel, plast playing with sequentiality.). Then again Agent's of S.H.I.E.L.D. could jump back as easily as Carter could jump forward, and pepper the Fantastic Four throughout the entire CMCU, before they get their own movie in 2025 after FOX just plain says "#### it, this #### is your problem now".

Although a 1960s Fantastic Four would be staffed with Ben and Reed, who are veterans of WWII.

Hmmm.

Who did Doom fight for in WWII?

And even then was he a world leader/general or a soldier fighting for one side or the other before he took Latveria?

Emma Roberts looks like Odo from Deep Space Nine.
 
Ant-Man established that Hank Pym was a major scientist and stuff in the past even though he was never mentioned before.

Yeah I menioned that earlier, but it looks like from this thread there's clearly no right way of doing it for all the fans. They simply need just to make a good movie.
 
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