This is a FF thread. So we should open a Negative Zone!
Fantastic Four reboot-- Casting, Rumors, Pix, ect;
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This is a FF thread. So we should open a Negative Zone!
Been longer since he was snubbed/robbed for Malcolm X
Or at least that was Gunn, Cordelia and Angel's opinion on Angel.
Yes, but Malcom X was a role specifically written to be played by a black man, whereas Training Day (as far as the story is concerned) could be played by any actor. It is the same difference between Morgan Freeman playing Mandela or the driver in Driving Miss Daisy and playing the U.S. President in that comet movie or the detective in Seven.
So you think that Malcom X should have been played by a white guy?
Going to be a long three months...
It's kind of impressive the way you manage to make the filmmakers come out as somehow deficient because they've cast a black actor to play Johnny Storm. Looks like it takes a lot of effort, though.
In other news, Kate Mara was surprised at all the negativity surround this movie. Even though it hasn't come out yet.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/mara-taken-aback-by-negativity-surrounding-new-fantastic-four-film
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/mara-taken-aback-by-negativity-surrounding-new-fantastic-four-film
The Fantastic Four comic has been cancelled again, and after it just got it's original numbering back.
It's a resurrection sort of thing, not a dead forever sort of thing.
Probably more to do with Secret Wars, than some stupid plan to hand out a million free copies of the new issue #1 on the first day screenings of the new movie (like they did with Ultimate Spider-Man #1 a decade back.).
It's a resurrection sort of thing, not a dead forever sort of thing.
Probably more to do with Secret Wars, than some stupid plan to hand out a million free copies of the new issue #1 on the first day screenings of the new movie (like they did with Ultimate Spider-Man #1 a decade back.).
Really? It's written in plain English and isn't that syntactically challenging. Being unable to face up to a criticism is different from being unable to parse a text, you know.
No, the fact is that race does not exist biologically. It very obviously continues to exist as a social concept that shapes behaviours and has to be accounted for when talking about genuine equity. It is in no way genuinely liberal to conflate the two and pretend that people who recognize the latter are deferring to the former. That's called blatant dishonesty. It's precisely an inversion of the good Dr. King's message and legacy and I frankly don't believe it ever happens casually or unconsciously, although I know that's the polite construction to put on it.
I thought Bashir on DS9 was white till his parents showed up.
Ditto with that PE teacher on Doctor Who last year. Some one said "The public resents a big black man laying down with a little white princess." And my first thought was "Shit! He's black too!"
Melting pot.
Once racism fucks off, every one is going to be doing it with every one else and couple centuries later, everyone is going to be various shades of tangerine orange.
Ditto with that PE teacher on Doctor Who last year. Some one said "The public resents a big black man laying down with a little white princess." And my first thought was "Shit! He's black too!"
Melting pot.
Once racism fucks off, every one is going to be doing it with every one else and couple centuries later, everyone is going to be various shades of tangerine orange.
You can't think of another (and someone else had to come up with at example) because there isn't one.
And Col Tigh's race was irrelevant to his character. Not to mention that the white guy in nuBSG was way more interesting and fleshed out than the black guy in the original.
Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself here.
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I had completely forgotten Tigh was even in the original show. Evidently (to me at least) he just didn't have many 'characteristics' at all. To be fair, I could say that about most of the original cast. I didmt watch Classic BSG for the human characters.
Though I do remember that cast was a hell of a lot more 'white bread' than the remakes.
I can think of one where the White-washed recasting happened all in one movie. Check out how Chun-Li progressively gets less Chinese she ages in the second Street Fighter movie.
Really, all my other examples don't really count. They're cases where ethnicities were changed during adaptation to different mediums, rather than just a movie charcater changing in a movie remaks. For eg. Starship Troopers, the DragonBall and Avatar movies, the Earthsea miniseries, Zorro alternating between being Spanish and Mexican (and being Irish-born in reality) etc.
Crap, I've thought of one...maybe/kind of/probably. Johnny Depp as Tonto.
Though I do remember that cast was a hell of a lot more 'white bread' than the remakes.
I can think of one where the White-washed recasting happened all in one movie. Check out how Chun-Li progressively gets less Chinese she ages in the second Street Fighter movie.
Really, all my other examples don't really count. They're cases where ethnicities were changed during adaptation to different mediums, rather than just a movie charcater changing in a movie remaks. For eg. Starship Troopers, the DragonBall and Avatar movies, the Earthsea miniseries, Zorro alternating between being Spanish and Mexican (and being Irish-born in reality) etc.
Crap, I've thought of one...maybe/kind of/probably. Johnny Depp as Tonto.
I had completely forgotten Tigh was even in the original show. Evidently (to me at least) he just didn't have many 'characteristics' at all. To be fair, I could say that about most of the original cast. I didmt watch Classic BSG for the human characters.
Though I do remember that cast was a hell of a lot more 'white bread' than the remakes.
I can think of one where the White-washed recasting happened all in one movie. Check out how Chun-Li progressively gets less Chinese she ages in the second Street Fighter movie.
Really, all my other examples don't really count. They're cases where ethnicities were changed during adaptation to different mediums, rather than just a movie charcater changing in a movie remaks. For eg. Starship Troopers, the DragonBall and Avatar movies, the Earthsea miniseries, Zorro alternating between being Spanish and Mexican (and being Irish-born in reality) etc.
Crap, I've thought of one...maybe/kind of/probably. Johnny Depp as Tonto.
Don't forget Boomer was in the 1980's BSG and was black in that show. In the 2004 show she's played by Korean - Canadian actress Grace Park. A massive improvement.
@Bold Depp as Tonto is Sooooooo last year. Now people are riled up about Rooney Mara's Tiger Lily in Pan.
Grace Park also played Athena who used to look like this...
From the looks of what Rooney is wearing, I don't think that the character is native American anymore. Scottish or Welsh maybe?
From the looks of what Rooney is wearing, I don't think that the character is native American anymore. Scottish or Welsh maybe?
Grace Park also played Athena who used to look like this...
From the looks of what Rooney is wearing, I don't think that the character is native American anymore. Scottish or Welsh maybe?
They say they are "native" but not necessarily ethnic natives. So it's ok that Tiger Lily is white.
So we just have to figure out geographically where second star to the right and keep on till morning is?
Although, starting from London, flying at an airspeed of maybe 25 kph, for 6 to 9 hours, won't even get them to France.
Although, starting from London, flying at an airspeed of maybe 25 kph, for 6 to 9 hours, won't even get them to France.
Indeed.
It's not a criticism if it's a lie.
Okay, you're getting better. What I'm trying to tell you is that people who conflate the two are deferring to the former, whether they know it or not. You're not going to end racism without getting it through to people that the entire basis of their prejudices, stereotypes, and hatreds does not exist. It's like anti-vaxxers citing a discredited study. It's a fake.
That's already happening. "Multi-racial" is the fastest growing demographic in the country.
20 years from now, History who can only remember Ferguson, will consider that the physical limits of the 20teens to be an entrenched puss soaked hive of racism.
Thank you Feurguson.
Thank you Feurguson.
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And it's not a lie if it's a straightforward description of your claims. To wit:
And you're disastrously wrong. Simply declaring that race does not exist and you will thenceforth behave like it does not exist has in fact been tried (most notably in Mexico and Brazil); racial bigotry didn't go anywhere, only the ability to frankly identify and confront it was hobbled, because it's pure folly to pretend that bigotry is going to cease to exist as a meme simply because one knows and declares that the biological concept of "race" is fallacious. Human societies simply do not work this way.
Hammering home the point that race is biologically speaking a fiction is of course absolutely necessary; trying to omit other mention of it or, worse, denounce actually accounting for bigotry as somehow being a form of racism itself is destructive stupidity that reinforces and gives succour to racism. It's a toxic inversion of King's point about colour-blindness. It's a lie.
Hope that wasn't too difficult to parse.
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I've a suspicion you guys aren't as far apart as you think.
One of the putative lessons of Jewish assimilation in early 20th century Germany: ultimately it doesn't matter who you think you are once they decide who you are.