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Fantastic Four reboot-- Casting, Rumors, Pix, ect;

I'll tell you what? I don't want to see another Spiderman here. I don't want to see a third incarnation in a short period. Maybe it's in Fox's best interest to let the rights expire. Maybe they will sell them back to Marvel. Maybe they'll give certain things to Marvel for this Fox X-Men show. Maybe it's in their best interest to let Marvel take the creative and distribute the sequel. (Yes, I said sequel.) Maybe this is the end of Fantastic Four forever. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe it's just too soon to tell.

Regardless of what's going to happen with the rights, the movie is bombing.
 
wulfio said:
Are you seriously basing your opinion on studio activities on the movie the Producers? :lol:

I'm sorry but that's a childish illusion.
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The thing about the expenses on this movie is that they're mostly inhouse. %60 of the budget is CGI and SPFX, and FOX owns the companies that do that for FOX. They paid themselves. Money just going from one pocket to another. Another %30 went on lunch, and the catering company is also owned by FOX. So after they give the teamsters 12 million dollars to lay off their heavies, the Fantastic Four is probably really only a 12 million dollar movie after all.

FOX has a lot of hands that all have to be constantly forever being kept busy, or the company blinks, falters and dies. They are creating a holding pattern to make sure their employees can eat with the invention of busywork movies like this pile of crap that hopefully might make a little money despite evidence to the contrary, but their first concern is that the companies overall budget 18 months earlier directed them to make a 122 million dollar movie about something this year where most of the money rolled back to FOX subsideraries.

Timby, Marvel isn't the only potential customer for the Fantastic Four.

As far as a kidnapping metaphor follows, making movies like this is just cutting off a finger and sending it to the parents to prove that you are serious. Sooner or later, Marvel is going to have to find their Liam Neeson and get this shit settled.
 
JoeZhang said:
Relayer1 said:
Campe98 said:
Maybe not the rights per se, but perhaps Marvel doing something on the creative end a la Spidey/Sony.
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I don't know. FF is so poisoned now that even a great Singer led FF2 would struggle to make money, whereas Fox could make mint from an X series.

Fox and Marvel are quite adversarial and Marvel aren't likely to make the TV rights available without a huge incentive - like getting the rights to the Skrulls, Galactus etc., and Marvel are probably the only people who could revive the F.F. in the forseeable future...
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Say what? Huge incentive?
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At the monent, as soon as the MCU leaves Earth, they are only playing with part of the Marvel universe. No Skrull, no Kree Skrull war, no Galactus or any of his heralds.

Not only would getting the FF back complete the Earthbound MCU, the return of the related characters could near complete the wider cinematic universe. Off the top of my head, only the difficult to fit into the MCU mutant characters and the Shi'ar would be major omissions.

That's a pretty big deal. It's behind a lot of the animosity between Marvel and Fox...
 
Guy Gardener said:
The thing about the expenses on this movie is that they're mostly inhouse. %60 of the budget is CGI and SPFX, and FOX owns the companies that do that for FOX. They paid themselves.
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OTOY, Moving Picture Company and WETA Digital are not owned by Fox.

Relayer1 said:
That's a pretty big deal. It's behind a lot of the animosity between Marvel and Fox...
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The relationship was warming up a little bit but then Marvel refused to allow any merchandising for Days of Future Past, which would have generated a whole shit-ton of ancillary revenue for Fox. Then Marvel announced it was cancelling the Fantastic Four comics. That's what really poisoned the well.
 
I saw some press before Iron Man came out.

"All Marvel has left are it's shitty d-list characters that no one cares about, but it's all they have left and maybe they can trick you into caring about pulp like Captain America and Thor."
 
Guy Gardener said:
Timby said:
OTOY, Moving Picture Company and WETA Digital are not owned by Fox.
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I claimed that they spent 30 million dollars on lunch, but this is the lie you have a problem with?
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You may have made up your facts, but the idea is essentially correct. Big studios often don't actually "spend" the budget they claim to spend on movies and money is transferred from one division to the next. Disney does this. Sony does this.

Hell, there is a really creepy Sony ad that brags that everything about the Sony movie from making the costumes, to filming to the the people watching it at home on their Sony television streamed through their Sony playstation is done "in company".
 
No, no, I only go to movies when there are children who need to be entertained, and I don't hate my nephews enough to make them watch this stinker.
 
ITL said:
JD said:
wulfio said:
I don't think so. He was in line to direct one of the Star Wars anthologies. I believe that would conflict. But he "stepped down" from the project to pursue other projects. I'm guessing Disney saw a cut of F4.
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The rumor I heard was that Simon Kinberg got rid of him because of his antics during the F4 production. Kiberg is a working on both the Fox Marvel movies, and the Star Wars franchise stuff.
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I've been listening to a recent interview that Trank did with Kevin Smith - Trank was enthusing all over the place about the movie, and couldn't have been more complementary of Kinberg.

So, at least one person has enthused...
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I've been listening to that interview lately. Now that I've seen the film I won't waste any more time listening to Smith deep throat Trank's ego.
 
Dave and Brad of The Cinema Snob/Midnight Screenings didn't much care for it.

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Usually the length of these videos are a good indicator of how bad it is, longer it is the more they have to rant on. Dave is a comic-book fan so has some insight into it. Brad seems to maintain that the Corman movie is the "best" Fantastic Four movie.
 
Guy Gardener said:
No, no, I only go to movies when there are children who need to be entertained, and I don't hate my nephews enough to make them watch this stinker.
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Turns out I hate myself. My brother and I are going to see the latest DBZ movie tonight, and we've decided to check out the FF screening that's on afterwards.

If it turns out to be the dull kind of bad, we can always go see Inside Out. But some naive (masochistic) part of me is really, really hoping this is going to be like Ang Lee's Hulk, where I actually really liked it in spite of the reviews.
 
Having gotten back, it's not good news.

It doesn't feel like an actual movie. If anything, it felt like a pilot or a proof of concept. It's really obviously incomplete, even if you didn't know the behind the scenes stuff. The Four have barely any scenes together (by the movies end, Sue and Ben still haven't spoken to each other), subplots are left dangling, and important things are revealed that make it obvious that something was cut or not filmed earlier.

I also think this Doom might be the worst villain I have ever seen in anything ever. He's like a Power Rangers villain, without the dignity.

I'm not mad or anything like that. I don't regret seeing it, and the actors were decent enough that I feel sorry they didn't get a better vehicle for their talents. But it deserved the drubbing.
 
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It was easy to tell with the last act that this movie was just two different productions slapped together sloppily without making much sense. First clue is to look at the different color and length of Sue Storm's hair.
 
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