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Fantastic Four: Grade, Review, Discuss, Sequels?...SPOILERS likely

Film grade

  • A: I'm Mister Fantastic!

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • B: Its clobbering time!

    Votes: 3 6.4%
  • C: The adventures of Herbie

    Votes: 3 6.4%
  • D: Flame off!

    Votes: 3 6.4%
  • E: Doomed

    Votes: 7 14.9%
  • F: Please Fox just give the rights back to Marvel

    Votes: 30 63.8%

  • Total voters
    47
FOX (currently) owns Ramma Tut, Kang and Immortus.

Oh?

How can FOX (currently) own Ramma Tut, Kang and Immortus, without owning Iron Lad?

(Same person. Time traveler. In different decades of his life, he used different "villain" identities.)

You put those four in a movie, possibly played by a generational family of famous actors who look similar, and this shit writes itself.

If FOX snuck Iron Lad into an FF movie, Marvel would shit a brick.

(Iron Lad = Teen Iron Man from the Future.)
 
Why would Marvel want Iron Lad?

It's a shite name you'd expect to find in the 31st century Legion of Superheroes.

Ferro Lad?

Young Kang was totally misappropriating himself as Teen Iron Man and even after he admitted that he was Kang, he still kept calling himself Iron Lad and kept wearing an armour that was at least superficially totally a Stark design, even though the blood most certainly did not tell.

(I was dumbing it down, using patronizing baby speak for the 2 people here who only watch movies.)
 
Not making another film is definitely the best investment FOX could make in their FF franchise.
 
An East European outfit owns the FF licence, who FOX pays to "use" the Fantastic Four brand on their behalf. It is completely conceivable that if FOX accidentally loses Constantin's license by not making a new movie every 7 years after suggesting that that is their intention, that since the FF brand if used right, it is worth a billion dollars, then Constantin might feel compelled to sue FOX for a billion dollars for fumbling the Fantastic Four when they both should be making that Billion dollars and feeling flush.

Withdrawing from this partnership amicably is probably not difficult, but spending the next 40 years in court if Marvel unexpectedly gets their license back is probably also very, very easy.
 
I figured that it was time to do what I ought to have done upon its initial release and see this movie (I had promised myself that I'd see it in theaters - reviews be ****** - but was so deflated by the negativity that I ended up breaking that promise) (thank you, HBO, for adding it to your lineup), and I wish I'd gotten around to seeing it sooner, because, in spite of everything, I really enjoyed it.

Tonally and structurally, the film reminded me very much of X-Men First Class, The Amazing Spider-Man, and Casino Royale, and benefited greatly, IMO, from taking the same kind of grounded, slow-build approach that those films did, building up the characters and the narrative independent of any big action set pieces so that when it does eventually reach a point in its narrative where action set pieces come into play, they feel 'earned' and the point where things look the bleakest for the characters carries more 'weight'.

I also loved the 'look' of the film, particularly the way the characters' powers were rendered and the design of their 'containment suit' uniforms (Reed having designed his own suit made the entire concept even cooler, although I wish somebody had commented on that fact). I kept my Sue avatar primarily because I love the design of her costume, and it and the other characters' costumes look as good on film as they did on the poster(s) from which my avatar is derived.

The cast was also terrific, with great chemistry, and totally embodied the "Ultimate" versions of the characters, upon which most of their characterization was based. Of particular note, at least for me, were the relationships between Reed and Ben, Reed and Sue, and Johnny and Franklin.

I also liked Victor's reintroduction as 'Doom', especially once they brought him back to 'Area 57' and he started using his powers; the sequence was very reminiscent of the introduction of Doctor Octopus in Spider-Man 2 and the pages of Ultimate Spider-Man Vol. 2. His character design was also great, reminding me of a cross between Darth Vader, the Bio-Men from Defiance, the robots from I, Robot, and the 1970s Sentinels from X-Men Days of Future Past.

All in all, I found the film to be infinitely better than its negative reception indicated, and feel very saddened by the fact that we likely won't be seeing any follow-ups to it, because there deserves to be.

I'm giving it a 9 out of 10, and will be adding it to my blu-ray Superhero Movie collection (which currently only consists of the X-Men films) at some point.
 
I figured that it was time to do what I ought to have done upon its initial release and see this movie (I had promised myself that I'd see it in theaters - reviews be ****** - but was so deflated by the negativity that I ended up breaking that promise) (thank you, HBO, for adding it to your lineup), and I wish I'd gotten around to seeing it sooner, because, in spite of everything, I really enjoyed it.

Tonally and structurally, the film reminded me very much of X-Men First Class, The Amazing Spider-Man, and Casino Royale, and benefited greatly, IMO, from taking the same kind of grounded, slow-build approach that those films did, building up the characters and the narrative independent of any big action set pieces so that when it does eventually reach a point in its narrative where action set pieces come into play, they feel 'earned' and the point where things look the bleakest for the characters carries more 'weight'.

I also loved the 'look' of the film, particularly the way the characters' powers were rendered and the design of their 'containment suit' uniforms (Reed having designed his own suit made the entire concept even cooler, although I wish somebody had commented on that fact). I kept my Sue avatar primarily because I love the design of her costume, and it and the other characters' costumes look as good on film as they did on the poster(s) from which my avatar is derived.

The cast was also terrific, with great chemistry, and totally embodied the "Ultimate" versions of the characters, upon which most of their characterization was based. Of particular note, at least for me, were the relationships between Reed and Ben, Reed and Sue, and Johnny and Franklin.

I also liked Victor's reintroduction as 'Doom', especially once they brought him back to 'Area 57' and he started using his powers; the sequence was very reminiscent of the introduction of Doctor Octopus in Spider-Man 2 and the pages of Ultimate Spider-Man Vol. 2. His character design was also great, reminding me of a cross between Darth Vader, the Bio-Men from Defiance, the robots from I, Robot, and the 1970s Sentinels from X-Men Days of Future Past.

All in all, I found the film to be infinitely better than its negative reception indicated, and feel very saddened by the fact that we likely won't be seeing any follow-ups to it, because there deserves to be.

I'm giving it a 9 out of 10, and will be adding it to my blu-ray Superhero Movie collection (which currently only consists of the X-Men films) at some point.

We understand completely.

(PSST! We're sending state police to arrest the Fox Executive holding a gun to your head! Don't let him look at the board till they get there!)

(JK)
 
I enjoyed it although I was rather surprised when it finished. I was ready for another twenty minutes pay off. I didn't much like Reed being so young. Why can't someone be successful by hard work and experience any more?

I did think that the previous incarnation captured the spirit of the early comics better but then so did the original spiderman for me. I don't know why recasting has to go alongside rebooting. The xmen played it smarter.
 
I enjoyed it although I was rather surprised when it finished. I was ready for another twenty minutes pay off. I didn't much like Reed being so young. Why can't someone be successful by hard work and experience any more?

I did think that the previous incarnation captured the spirit of the early comics better but then so did the original spiderman for me. I don't know why recasting has to go alongside rebooting. The xmen played it smarter.

The X-Men franchise hasn't been rebooted.
 
The X-Men franchise hasn't been rebooted.
Well, the prequels have contradicted quite a lot of things that occurred in the earlier movies and not all of them can be explained by time travel very easily. It's a soft reboot in the same way that NuTrek is a reboot without being a reboot. Superman Returns was another example. If you ignore Superman 3 & 4, you get a nice neat trilogy from a soft reboot.

So we have Jubilee and Angel's elastic ages, Moira's wibbly wobbly background, contradictions about how Xavier and Magneto met and so forth.

I only consider X1-3, the Wolverine, and DoFP in my personal X-canon since the story flows nicely with minimal contradictions, albeit we'll see how Scottish Moira MacTaggert is in Apocalypse! I think First Class is a really enjoyable movie but if I watch the movies together, the contradictions do become a bit irritating. I can live without it.
 
^ There's is no such thing as a "soft reboot".

If something is directly connected to the pre-existing continuity of a given franchise, said thing is not a reboot. Full stop.
 
I would consider the X-Movies soft-rebooted. Wolverine changed the timeline in DOFP. Scott and Jean are alive.
 
I would consider the X-Movies soft-rebooted. Wolverine changed the timeline in DOFP. Scott and Jean are alive.

It doesn't matter how many times the term "soft reboot" gets used; it won't change the fact that said term doesn't actually exist.

And even with the creation of a new timeline via DoFP, the X-Men franchise continues to maintain a singular interconnected continuity.
 
It doesn't matter how many times the term "soft reboot" gets used; it won't change the fact that said term doesn't actually exist.
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Well, I just got HBO and see that this is going to be on tomorrow...so I guess I'm going to see how crappy it is for myself.

ETA: I see it's On Demand...I could be watching it right now. That's too much pressure...I need some space from it first...!
 
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Josh Trank has talked a bit about making the movie, and how it what happened with it effected him.
According to the article, he didn't like superhero movies, and when the writer tried to introduce him to the comics mythology, he "didn't give a shit".
I've never understood when the people behind adaptations have this kind of attitude. I can see if they start out and aren't a fan, but I would think you would at least want to take a look at it, just to get better idea of what you're doing.
Trank has also admitted that he was resentful towards people whose comic book movies were more successful, like James Gunn.
 
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