Fans, what don't you like about ENT?

[Warped9]

Another companion thread. I'm compartmentalizing in an effort to avoid derailing the main subject matter of the threads.

Seriously, though, as much as we love our favourite shows there are always things we're not content with, wholly or in part. There are always things we feel could have been better.

So what didn't you like about ENT?

 

[startrekwatcher]

As much as I enjoyed the Xindi arc they shouldn't have stretched it out with a bunch of boring filler episodes.

The show wasn't consistent in its quality.

S2 had far too many mediocre episodes.

I thought that they ruined the Reed character most notable in episodes like Harbinger and Hatchery

I thought the Trip/T'Pol relationship could be potentially interesting but ultimately I didn't care for how it was handled.

I liked the Temporal Cold War but it wasn't very satisfying as executed. We never learned who FG was, we never learned his goals like why he wanted to start a Klingon civil war. We didn't learn about Daniels and his organization or why Earth was destroyed in Shockwave.

I thought Bakula should have been stronger as an actor.

I didn't care for the country bumpkin portrayal of Trip.

 

[Jaespol]

-Uneven character development
-Awful story arc in "temporal cold war" which really just summed up how little Berman/Braga cared anymore since they themselves admitted they didn't know what was going on (ffs!)
-So many pointless episodes that could have been seen on any other trek, didn't make enough of its premise in first two seasons
-Complete lack of logic in many episodes with characters who acted and spoke like idiots (Archer, Trip)

 

[Praetor]

You saw what I just said in the VGR thread about this regarding a failure to fully execute the original premise?

That, times about fifty or so.

Edit: Also, I have never liked Scott Bakula, and hated "Faith of the Heart." It wasn't that the different style bothered me (or the lack of "Star Trek" in the original title), it was that it was an annoying song.

Overall, I feel that attempts were made to make this show appear different while really not being different at all - photonic rather than photon torpedoes, percentages of hull plating instead of percentages of shielding, which seemed to outshine what good the show did offer.

 

[ChristopherPike]

The uptempo remix of Faith of the Heart introduced from Season Three. Wholy inappropriate to the darkest season of Star Trek ever made. It needed to be slowed down if anything and sung in a more haunting, style... say by a female vocalist. Perhaps then a contrasting theme tune could've been taken ironically, as apposed to the happy, clappy pop song treatment it was given.

My issues with Enterprise all boil down to lost opportunities and countless things I feel might've been done differently. Not specifically the setting, the casting, the acting or the technology depicted. All those things I loved about the show. It fitted perfectly as half way towards our own future and Star Trek's past. It just needed more polish and direction in certain areas like having a road map devised from the start for both the Temporal Cold War and Birth of the Federation arcs.

 

[Ro Boat]

It was about two seasons too short.

 

[Carpe Occasio]

It was about two seasons too short.

Three seasons too short. Should have gone seven seasons like TNG, DS9 & VOY. My complaint is that it was cancelled.

 

[Penguin]

Not allowed to say.

Did not like the way that Hoshi, Reed, an travis were left twisting in the wind.

TnT could have bern developed much more.

Dog should have been shoved out of an Air lock for all it had to do with the series.

 

[Ro Boat]

It was about two seasons too short.

Three seasons too short. Should have gone seven seasons like TNG, DS9 & VOY. My complaint is that it was cancelled.

If the 7th ENT season were anything like the 7th VOY season, I would have preferred six.

 

[Noname Given]

The only elements I really couldn't stand were the whole Suliban/Temporal Cold War aspects. Had no issue with the rest of it as nothing had been set in cnon for this period on screen in either TV or films, and I didn't have a problem with a lot of 'fanon' being tossed out.

 

[Skywalker]

• The Temporal Cold War.
• That, early on, it felt more like TNG/VOY than TOS (and I grew up with TNG!).
• That the lead character was arguably the most inconsistent, and not particularly inspirational.
• That the "secondary" main characters received little to no attention. I get that TPTB were trying to harken back to the triumvirate of TOS, but it just didn't work.
• That they had to use drugs to rationalize T'Pol's emotional issues. Vulcans have emotions! They're not, and never were, soulless automatons.
• That the captain turned into a damn superhero action figure and was said to be the greatest and bestest and most perfect starship captain to have ever lived, and yet we never saw any actual evidence of that.
• That the show's most dynamic and memorable character was killed in an ignoble fashion just to make the "main" character look better. Kill the guy, sure, that's fine, but what they came up with was pathetic.
• That the show was cut down after it had bounced back remarkably in the third and fourth seasons.
• That the show's final episode felt more like a TNG adventure than an ENT finale.

 

[Praetor]

• The Temporal Cold War.
• That, early on, it felt more like TNG/VOY than TOS (and I grew up with TNG!).
• That the lead character was arguably the most inconsistent, and not particularly inspirational.
• That the "secondary" main characters received little to no attention. I get that TPTB were trying to harken back to the triumvirate of TOS, but it just didn't work.
• That they had to use drugs to rationalize T'Pol's emotional issues. Vulcans have emotions! They're not, and never were, soulless automatons.
• That the captain turned into a damn superhero action figure and was said to be the greatest and bestest and most perfect starship captain to have ever lived, and yet we never saw any actual evidence of that.
• That the show's most dynamic and memorable character was killed in an ignoble fashion just to make the "main" character look better. Kill the guy, sure, that's fine, but what they came up with was pathetic.
• That the show was cut down after it had bounced back remarkably in the third and fourth seasons.
• That the show's final episode felt more like a TNG adventure than an ENT finale.

Thank you for making my list for me, good sir.

 

[Skywalker]

^ You lazy bastard.

 

[Praetor]

Guilty.

But really, I just wasn't going to go into it in depth, but you managed to sum up my own points really nicely there, my friend, right down from your growing up with TNG perspective. It's uncanny. The Force is with this one.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

That Trip and T'Pol only did it once. I had heard about this long before watching those eps and I thought it was a long drawn out affair. Seems so pointless that it wasn't.

The ethical reasoning of Phlox,and his actions, in Dear Doctor.

I might manage to think of something else I didn't like about Enterprise in a few weeks, if I concentrate real hard.

 

[Ensign_Redshirt]

Its first two seasons, mostly.

 

[JiNX-01]

Connor once observed during an interview that if you didn't care, you wouldn't bitch (actually he might have said "complain").

Boy, we must REALLY LOVE Enterprise! Here are a few of my gripes:

-- TCW
-- Sexploitation of Trip and T'Pol combined with the utterly pointless execution of their "romance".
-- Background details that come out of the blue (think Hoshi's black belt, Reed's S31 history, Travis is an expert spelunker despite having spent almost his entire life on an interstellar cargo ship).
-- Mediocrity ruled too often in S2.
-- Since they decided to go with a 2-tiered cast, the "other 4" should have had their credits after the commercial or at the closing.
-- Much as I loved "The Expanse" and S3, I think it was a bit crazy to introduce a species and an event that have such an enormous impact on humanity (7 million dead and aliens who can destroy planets?! ), but neither is ever mentioned in the future?
-- Why do I know more about the Mayweather family than the Archers or the Tuckers?

 

[frenchman]

here's mine :

- i'd have liked to know the Tuckers and see how they deal with their daughter's death (maybe they became xenophobic or else). same things with the reeds, the satos....
- why on earth to not use mayweather to explore the cargo ship stories?
- TCW??? sulibans???? i'm not a big fan of this.
- not enough stories on earth showing how we live in 22d century.

btw, jinx, i like your phrase in introduction.

 

[lceb]

The fact that it was only four seasons. Four seasons is long enough to tell a good story if you know what you want to talk about, but I suppose TPTB were so sure that they were going to have seven, that they were lazy at the beginning. So, seasons 1 & 2 had quite a few not very bad, but rather boring episodes. When the margins narrowed they delivered very good stuff for seasons 3 & 4, but the chance was lost.

 

[Praetor]

Add "sexploitation" to my list. Standard decon procedures consist of oily semi-naked rubdowns? Go figure.